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re: Hidden Traps in AT&T Next plans?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:04 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:04 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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My point is that if I lose phone I've paid $100 for it's better than paying off the same phone I owe $500 for plus a new one.
Yes, but the end result is nearly the same
Contract: lose phone, buy new full priced phone
Next: lose phone, buy new full priced phone, continue making payments on lost phone
If the payments for next and contract are similar, what's the difference
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:13 pm to ILikeLSUToo
2-year contract (My Old plans, including work discount)
2 year bill: $4,556.16 (189.94*24)(What I was paying)
New iPhone $215.99 (199.99*1.08)
New iPhone $215.99
New iPhone $215.99
Upgrade Charge $120.00 ($40 per line)
Total Cost: $5,324.13
NEXT 2-year cost
Total Recurring: $5,268.24
One Time: $156.00
Total Cost: $5,424.24
So, this is with 3 brand new iPhone 6's. I don't need 3, so I am not paying this. But back off 54.14*24 and 104 (tax on two phones), this is exactly what I pay now. Over two years (with 3 brand new phones), its $100 more to go to NEXT, but my family gets more data to share. Also, we have the month's rollover. It made too much sense to me to switch.
2 year bill: $4,556.16 (189.94*24)(What I was paying)
New iPhone $215.99 (199.99*1.08)
New iPhone $215.99
New iPhone $215.99
Upgrade Charge $120.00 ($40 per line)
Total Cost: $5,324.13
NEXT 2-year cost
Total Recurring: $5,268.24
One Time: $156.00
Total Cost: $5,424.24
So, this is with 3 brand new iPhone 6's. I don't need 3, so I am not paying this. But back off 54.14*24 and 104 (tax on two phones), this is exactly what I pay now. Over two years (with 3 brand new phones), its $100 more to go to NEXT, but my family gets more data to share. Also, we have the month's rollover. It made too much sense to me to switch.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:14 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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My point is that if I lose phone I've paid $100 for it's better than paying off the same phone I owe $500 for plus a new one.
Yes, but you are still paying the extra $25 per line, per month and you still need a new phone, which you will not be paying $100 for. Its really a wash on the cost of the phones. You need to focus on if the plan fits your family's needs more.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:22 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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My current plan is Mobile Share Value
Yeah, that's one of the modern plans, which puts you SOL in being able to take advantage of the on-contract prices anymore.
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I don't like the idea of paying $600 for a phone
Since you're on the Mobile Share Value plan, AT&T would raise the bill for you and your wife by $50/month if you didn't use Next or buy your phone outright. So, consider the options: Pay that money and the some to AT&T, or use that money toward phones. AT&T doesn't really profit much from the phone sales either way.
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If it's lost, I owe the difference I assume?
Yes. Remember, it's your phone. AT&T is just letting you pay for it over time OR trade it in for a new one. If you instead buy your phone direct from Apple/Motorola/HTC/etc. or eBay or whatever, it works out the same, except you wouldn't be able to trade it in to AT&T for the 12-month upgrade.
If I were on the Mobile Value Plan, I'd just buy my phones outright elsewhere and keep them for as long as I wanted, whether it's 12 months, 6 months, 14 months, etc. Then I'd sell the old phone. For a couple of reasons:
1. Ordering online, depending on your phone choice and where you buy it, may spare you the sales tax that AT&T would charge, or you might get it for less than retail.
2. Smartphones reasonably hold some value for a year or two, even Android phones. For example, if you'd purchased an HTC M8 when it first came out under AT&T Next 12, you'd have paid all sales tax on it (~$58), then $32.50 a month for 12 months, totaling $448 for the phone, which you then give back if you want a new phone. You'll then pay another $448 to use your next phone for a year. However, after a year, you could've sold that HTC M8, if in good condition, for $350-400. Put that money toward the new phone of similar pricing, and you're paying around $350 tops for your new phone instead of the $450 to AT&T. If you were considering AT&T next 18 or Next 24, it makes even more sense to buy your phone outright instead, because over 18 months, you'd be paying 75% of the value of the phone and then giving it back to AT&T. You could sell that phone for well above 25% of its original value after 18 months.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:25 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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If I were on the Mobile Value Plan, I'd just buy my phones outright elsewhere and keep them for as long as I wanted, whether it's 12 months, 6 months, 14 months, etc. Then I'd sell the old phone. For a couple of reasons:
1. Ordering online, depending on your phone choice and where you buy it, may spare you the sales tax that AT&T would charge, or you might get it for less than retail.
2. Smartphones reasonably hold some value for a year or two, even Android phones. For example, if you'd purchased an HTC M8 when it first came out under AT&T Next 12, you'd have paid all sales tax on it (~$58), then $32.50 a month for 12 months, totaling $448 for the phone, which you then give back if you want a new phone. You'll then pay another $448 to use your next phone for a year. However, after a year, you could've sold that HTC M8, if in good condition, for $350-400. Put that money toward the new phone of similar pricing, and you're paying around $350 tops for your new phone instead of the $450 to AT&T.
Solid advice.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:37 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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Vlad The Inhaler
Also, have you considered Straight Talk? If AT&T ever makes me give up my old plan I'm probably going to go that route (Including two premium phones every 2 years, we pay around $3876 every 24 months for "unlimited" data --throttled after 5GB each--and more than enough minutes and texts).
With Straight Talk you just pop an AT&T LTE sim card into the GSM-capable phone of your choice, and it uses AT&T towers. unlimited talk, unlimited text, and 3GB of data per line (throttled after 3GB). $45/month per line.
Since you'd be buying your phone outright anyway, this would essentially be lowering your service plan price. With a couple of $650 iPhones for you and your wife, it works out to around $3460 over 24 months, plus tax for the phones. From what I've read, the one thing you lose with Straight Talk is customer service, but I can't recall the last time I needed AT&T customer service for anything.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:04 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Straight Talk
I don't know much about these carriers, but I've heard that they don't get priority spots on towers. I guess, for instance, if an ATT customer and a Straight Talk customer were both trying to access data at the same time, the ATT customer would take priority. I'm not even sure how this would be accomplished or if the Straight Talk customer would even know a difference.
Can you shed any light on this?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:18 pm to SaintEB
Straight talk loses favor when you have more lines since they are individual plans
4*45 = 180
4*15 +100 = 160
I'm sure there are some discounts I may be missing but you get the gist
4*45 = 180
4*15 +100 = 160
I'm sure there are some discounts I may be missing but you get the gist
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:23 pm to SaintEB
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Can you shed any light on this?
Nope. That's been my hesitation for some time. I can't even find definitive proof that there is any prioritization at all, but it seems likely there would be, if AT&T even has a way of distinguishing their own customers from Straight Talk and others. I've been reading a lot about it as of late, but as far as how network prioritization (if it exists) realistically affects the user, there's only anecdotal evidence. The problem with individual user experiences are the inevitable variables not accounted for, such as type of phone and location. And we all know that LTE and other network coverage can shite the bed from time to time due to congestion, maintenance, or something as simple as your phone's radio bugging out and needing a reboot.
I pretty much decided the only way to know if it's going to work for me specifically is to give it a trial run for a couple of months before I make the decision to jump ship from AT&T (because I know that once I do leave AT&T, I can never get back the old cheap plan I'm on now).
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:27 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Wouldn't it just be a 45 dollar experiment?
There's no commitment right?
Keep your old plan until you are certain that ST is for you.
There's no commitment right?
Keep your old plan until you are certain that ST is for you.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:35 pm to Croacka
yeah, $45 plus whatever the sim card costs (a dollar or two maybe). I could try it out anytime, but I guess I've just been content with what I have. Not being able to get the subsidized phones anymore (even with my old cheap plan) would give me motivation to try it.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:34 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
It just occurred to me that I know you IRL. 

Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:35 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
Double post
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:03 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Straight talk gets the same service as my current AT&T phones do. Had straight talk for over 3 years and never noticed a difference between it and my AT&T work phone. I'm currently using AT&T for personal because I've gone to 6 devices and straight talk was no longer cost effective.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:29 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
Last time I went to the AT&T store to upgrade, the salesman tried hard to upsell me to the Next plan but couldn't explain the math as to why it was cheaper. I finally got exasperated and said, "I guess I'd be better off buying a phone off eBay and just paying monthly." He said, "That's what my brother did."
Bought a ligthly used phone off eBay from a seller with a good rep for half the price and just pay the monthly fee. No warranty on phone but I'm saving money.
Bought a ligthly used phone off eBay from a seller with a good rep for half the price and just pay the monthly fee. No warranty on phone but I'm saving money.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 8:44 pm to BiggerBear
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Bought a ligthly used phone off eBay from a seller with a good rep for half the price and just pay the monthly fee. No warranty on phone but I'm saving money.
I bought a cheap phone off ebay last year and was offered a square trade insurance plan. If insurance/warranty is that important to you, look for a seller that offers it.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:31 am to ILikeLSUToo
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It just occurred to me that I know you IRL
Ha! Indeed you do. Thanks for your help and we should catch up soon
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