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Posted on 8/20/21 at 7:34 am to
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 7:34 am to
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At stock speeds and power? Sure.



No, even at reduced power limits for mining, there has been a mass dying of 3080s and 3090s. Fortunately, I think it was mainly FE cards having that issue
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 8:14 am to
seriously, he might want to do something about it.

how do you spend $1500-2500 on a GPU and not want to take care of it.


at a bare minimum, take the backplate off, apply thermal pads (probably 2.0mm thick) and reinstall the backplate. the ambient air flow through the case should blow over the backplate and cool the VRAM by 8-10*. it's worth doing.











This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 8:21 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 8:21 am to
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how do you spend $1500-2500 on a GPU and not want to take care of it.



I mean this is all on NVIDIA for producing inadequate cooling on a $1200 video card. You buy something that expensive, you expect that shite to work and not have to spend more on modifications. Plus most people don't want their builds looking ugly as shite like those pics
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 8:26 am to
oh come on, you don't like the CPU cooler mounted to the backplate?
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 8:27 am to
Just needs moar rgb
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:35 am to
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at a bare minimum, take the backplate off, apply thermal pads (probably 2.0mm thick) and reinstall the backplate. the ambient air flow through the case should blow over the backplate and cool the VRAM by 8-10*. it's worth doing.


Anything over about 0.5mm on the EVGA cards won't work.

And as I mentioned before this isn't a dedicated mining rig.


It's in a small form factor case for a home theater system where space is a premium. Not to mention the backplate is blocked by a 90° PCIe adapter bracket. It'll run hot no matter what. If I can reduce the power by 30-50% and be well enough in the safe operating ranges then that's plenty fine for me.

ETA: if you need to RMA the card for any reason you'll need the stock thermal pads on it. So make sure you don't get rid of them or break them when removing.

quote:

No, even at reduced power limits for mining, there has been a mass dying of 3080s and 3090s. Fortunately, I think it was mainly FE cards having that issue


I also believe there is confusion around GDDR6X memory temperature limits. TJmax is defined as 95°C but NVIDIA doesn't throttle performance until 110°C. So some are reducing power, but still above 95°C and running it nonstop. Personally I cut my power until my memory temps are below 95°C.

Replacing thermal pads are definitely a great option, but I would always recommend attempting to reduce GPU power as the first handle as it also reduces energy costs. If you can reduce power and not take the hit to hashrate, and stay below 95°C, then it's unnecessary to replace pads unless for peace of mind. If you take a hashrate hit and your memory temps are still above 95°C then yes, replacing thermal pads are you next best bet. Just be wary your mileage may vary depending on your case airflow and the optimal pad thickness differs between AIBs.


Appreciate the thread. Glad to have a dedicate place to discuss mining and keep learning.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:40 pm to
added some GPU repair shops that i recently found to OP#2.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:53 pm to
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added some GPU repair shops that i recently found to OP#2.

oohh that remids me i have a 1080ti that stopped working. idk why. i would love if i found a walk through to diagnose whats up.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 5:16 pm to
You may want to watch Tech Cemetery then. He has excellent walkthroughs. Just slow the video down. He talks way too fast.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:08 pm to
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No reason not to load your earnings into interest accounts

One reason would be that you are turning non-KYC coins into KYC coins by doing this. Depends on how much you value privacy and want to hedge future government intervention via laws or worse.

I wish I had some non-KYCed coins.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 4:57 pm to
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why is metamask better?


Everything imaginable is better on Metamask.


quote:

what issues have you had with exodus?


Exodus charges an arm and leg for transactions. Exodus takes a % of your staking rewards.

Just make sure that whatever coin your are mining can be used on Metamask. I'm assuming most people are mining ETH which works with Metamask.
Posted by Stagliano
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:52 pm to
Thanks for the thread. Could you possibly throw out some loose scenarios with probable investment vs return

I live in a rural area with very good energy rates and am considering buying the components when Starlink is available for me. Which I anticipate to be fairly soon

Speaking of, is bandwidth much of an issue? As in tons of data transmitted
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 9:03 pm to
ROI all depends on what you spend on the hardware, how much electricity you burn each month, and how much your system can make you each day.

Find out what your budget is.
Find out what you pay per kWh is on your electric bill. Mine is $0.11 per hour.
Depending on which cards you buy, wattage varies.

For example, (4) RTX 3060 Ti = 130 watts each at 60 MH/s. That’s a total of 520 watts at 240 MH/s (this doesn’t include the wattage your motherboard/cpu pull).

Use WhatToMine.com, link in OP, to see what 240 MH/s earns you for ETH. Plug in what you pay per kWh. It will tell you what you make before/after electricity. Divide that number by your total investment. That’s how many days you’ll have to break even. After that, it’s all profit. Unless you reinvest it into more cards or another rig.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 5:37 pm to
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you’re going to need a somewhat new PC (no more than 10 years old). Anything older than 2012/2013 risks the chance of not all GPUs being used while mining. This depends on the number of PCIe slots you have and how many PCIe lanes your CPU can handle. I believe the minimum CPU is any FX series AMD CPU (8000/9000 series) and any 3rd gen i Series Intel CPU.



I am wanting to start mining and recently snagged a good deal on 3060 XC. I do have an old inspirion 15 5000 series laptop that im wondering if I can strip of any CPU/RAM/SSD/mobo for starting a rig?
will any of my laptop be useful or will i need to buy those components? Or can I run the laptop+ GPU externally with a PSU to get started while I learn more starting out?

If not I assume ill need a new motherboard with capacity to add future GPUs what would a good cheap motherboard be for this? maybe Ill need a new CPU anyway if so what would be some to start looking into
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 8:16 am to
You picked a bad time to start

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old inspirion 15 5000 series laptop that im wondering if I can strip of any CPU/RAM/SSD/mobo for starting a rig?


Just the SSD
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:52 am to
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You picked a bad time to start



not bothered by timing. As I want to learn more about this kind of thing anyway im just kinda lost figuring out the hardware ill need. if i can save on the SSD thats a good start. only need to figure out the CPU and motherboard but reading some online stuff about the 3060 and potentially being able to bypass its LHR has me confused on what motherboard/cpu i should look for
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:39 pm to
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motherboard/cpu i should look for



Cheapest possible low powered one
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35614 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 6:32 pm to
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only need to figure out the CPU and motherboard but reading some online stuff about the 3060 and potentially being able to bypass its LHR has me confused on what motherboard/cpu i should look for


you probably have a V2 3060 which means you can't bypass the LHR with the 470.05 nvidia developer drivers. so you're going to be stuck in the mid 30s when it comes to hashrate.

as far as timing goes, you may or may not be "late". did you miss out on a full year or two of mining? most definitely. but the ETH developers still haven't committed to a date on it going to proof of stake. they haven't even committed to an ETH block number for proof of stake, yet, like they did with EIP-1559 which was made out to be a bigger deal than it was. proof of stake was supposed to happen this past december-janurary, but they've sense pushed it to summer 2022 (which will probably be pushed again). it's actually been pushed for years now.

as far as a mobo/cpu combo, you can put 4 GPUs on an old Dell Optiplex 3010 or newer. you can get these off ebay for $50. you just need some risers (linked in the OP) and maybe a storage drive. HiveOS can run off a 16gb flash drive.

but i suggest something higher than an RTX 3060. i'd be trying for FE cards from best buy if you have the time to sit and wait diligently like most basement dwellers do. but even 3060 Ti LHR cards aren't that bad. i mined with 1660 supers for almost a year before eventually selling them. sold them for upgrades when i was able to.

but don't leave out AMD cards. i can only suggest reference cards from AMD Direct since they're MSRP. every AIB card is double the price no matter where you get them. 6700xt = $479 @ 46 MH/s and 6800-6900xt (price varies) @ 60 MH/s.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6495 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:30 pm to
Yea I know I probably am getting a v2 but that's not specified in the order... and in the evga product number it has kr ending which I believe is supposed to indicate the bypassable LHR. If it's not bypassable then oh well. If by chance it is bypassable would that optiplex you mentioned support bypassing the LHR?

This post wasn't so much about looking for GPUs as looking for a simple/cheap way to get the hardware to start mining. But just buying a cheap desktop is probably cheaper and easier so I appreciate that.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35614 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:27 am to
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evga product number it has kr ending which I believe is supposed to indicate the bypassable LHR.


Not sure if your aware of this or not, but the V1 3060 was intended to be LHR. But an idiot dev released that unlockable drivers for it. Then V2 released. From a product standpoint, evga, or anyone else for that matter (I think), didn’t release new skus for GPUs that were already LHR.

EVGA FHR (-KR):
3060 Ti (discontinued)
3070 (discontinued)
3080 (discontinued)
3090

EVGA LHR (-KR):
3050
3060 v1 (discontinued)
3060 v2
3080 Ti

EVGA LHR (-KL):
3060 Ti
3070
3070 Ti
3080


If you bought the card brand new from EVGA, or another vendor, within the past 6 months, it’s probably a v2. The only way to tell is to install it, open GPU-Z, and look at the device ID.

Left = LHR v2 (2504) / Right = Unlockable-LHR v1 (2503)



YouTube explanation


quote:

If by chance it is bypassable would that optiplex you mentioned support bypassing the LHR?


You need a full PCI slot. Basically, the card needs to be seated directly to the board without a PCIe riser and the developer drivers (good luck finding it as nvidia took them down from their website). The Optiplex would be good for anything 3060Ti or better for the 30 series. Or anything in the 20/16 series. 2060 supers are pretty prevalent and they get in the low 40s in hashrate (better than your 3060). You’d be better off selling that 3060 and going bigger.

I suggest going to “whattomine.com” and seeing what a 4 card rig looks like in your budget.

Here’s the mobo you need to loom for when looking for a Optiplex.



That area I highlighted has (1) PCI x16 slot and (3) PCIe x4 slots. Each riser will plug into each slot (4 GPUs total).



You could also buy one of those (12) x16 slot boards on eBay. Just search “crypto mining motherboard combo). Comes with a CPU. You might need to add RAM and a storage device to it. But they’re $150-200.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 1:28 pm
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