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re: cancelled cable TV, got a nastygram from comcast a week later
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:11 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:11 pm to CAD703X
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kinda like how google fiber neighborhoods here don't have a cap? unfortunately i'm out in the sticks. so again, how does NN have anything to do with that?
ISPs that have to compete with google fiber in an area don't have a data cap bc people know they will leave for the competitor.
Data caps don't help the network and are there to curb cord cutting. Now that providers like AT&T have zero data using DTV Now, it proves data caps are pointless.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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How could you not know the basics of data consumption? Aren't you an IT guy or tech nerd
just didnt care. i wasnt hitting the 1TB cap so why should i monitor it?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:12 pm to CAD703X
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i'm so confused. people living in the little 'google fiber' pockets around nashville where they've expanded to don't have data caps and thats in a 'post NN' world.
Google fiber has never had data caps
they are not trying to screw people over
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:13 pm to Korkstand
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NN, in a nutshell, is a set of principles to prevent ISPs from controlling how we use the internet. You admit that data caps are a way for ISPs to control what we do on the internet, and you don't see the connection?!
and yet we've had them for years even under the current obama-NN.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:13 pm to CAD703X
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kinda like how google fiber neighborhoods here don't have a cap? unfortunately i'm out in the sticks.
so again, how does NN have anything to do with that?

NN aims to protect people exactly like YOU. Those with no options, no competition, whether by pure economic forces or local government involvement, where the market has failed to produce competition that would make rules unnecessary. A lack of NN rules means YOU get frickED. And here you are getting fricked without even realizing you support the people and corporations who are intentionally fricking you.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:13 pm to CAD703X
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i have zero working web cameras at the moment. i just don't have enough use cases to keep them going.
This is big, I've found. I have 2 working Canary monitors for both of my girls and I've reduced the amount of uploads it does. I don't use it for security as I already have a home alarm. No need for me to see videos of my girls rolling in their beds at night as a "suspicious activity". But damn, the uploads eat up data.
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i'll grab a few movies per month and binge watch the occasional netflix series..seems like more and more they are in 4K.
This is what I fear. Now with a 4k TV and more things becoming 4k shows, this will definitely creep into data usage.
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i looked at my comcast data usage for last 6 months and had no idea i was hitting close to 800GB each month prior to this.
Don't doubt that at all. When they were still on grace periods with ATT, I was easily getting 1.5gbs usage during the summer while the wife and kids were off.
I recently got the 1000mbps ATT fiber connection and while it's 80$, it's unlimited.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Google fiber has never had data caps
they are not trying to screw people over
so..you're admitting google is a viable market competitor and if they had invested in more markets/larger rollout..we WOULD have a choice and that has nothing to do with NN?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:14 pm to CAD703X
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just didnt care. i wasnt hitting the 1TB cap so why should i monitor it?
if you know your families usage already common sense would tell you that blowing through a TB is extremely easy.
I have a 3 year old and 3 month baby and we blow through our 900GB data cap like nothing, since we don't have cable.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:15 pm to Korkstand
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NN aims to protect people exactly like YOU. Those with no options, no competition, whether by pure economic forces or local government involvement, where the market has failed to produce competition that would make rules unnecessary. A lack of NN rules means YOU get frickED. And here you are getting fricked without even realizing you support the people and corporations who are intentionally fricking you.
super confused. google fiber..a clear market competitor..does not have a cap and this didn't matter whether NN was a policy or not.
same token, comcast had data caps before and after NN rulings.
so what changed either way?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:15 pm to CAD703X
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so..you're admitting google is a viable market competitor and if they had invested in more markets/larger rollout..we WOULD have a choice and that has nothing to do with NN?
Google was road blocked by the competition during their expansion. Its why they stopped. Have you done any research at all?
NN def has to do with a free market and no more local monopolies.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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you know your families usage already common sense would tell you that blowing through a TB is extremely easy.
but but but..everyone on the board said 'no way any normal usage of the internet can come close to 1TB' a year ago.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:17 pm to CAD703X
quote:That's quite obvious.
i'm so confused.
quote:Uh huh, data caps are an anti-consumer and anti-competitive device. They have very little technical merit, if any at all. You've already noticed how they typically don't exist where there is actual competition, with or without any rules.
people living in the little 'google fiber' pockets around nashville where they've expanded to don't have data caps and thats in a 'post NN' world.
I have to wonder how far you'll take it up the arse to avoid admitting that the damned dirty liberals have a legit point and regulation isn't all bad.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:17 pm to CAD703X
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but but but..everyone on the board said 'no way any normal usage of the internet can come close to 1TB' a year ago.
what??
Ive never seen anyone say that.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Google was road blocked by the competition during their expansion. Its why they stopped. Have you done any research at all?
NN def has to do with a free market and no more local monopolies.

dude, yes. google fiber is in the office downstairs from me. i know exactly what happened with the one-touch bullshite going on here in the city.
google is out of the game now because they are betting on wireless. google FI is the start of a massive wireless infrastructure. they have scaled back because they see the writing on the wall isn't to run more orange cable and get stymied by the att/comcast/government lobby brigade.
again, that has everything to do with crony capitalism and nothing to do with NN rulings.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:19 pm to Korkstand
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Uh huh, data caps are an anti-consumer and anti-competitive device. They have very little technical merit, if any at all. You've already noticed how they typically don't exist where there is actual competition, with or without any rules.
exactly even ISPs like Comcast and Cox in some areas don't care about data caps bc they compete with Fios. That's why Cox was only encoring their data cap policies in some markets.
In the UK where this is a true free market for internet data caps are not a thing.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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what??
Ive never seen anyone say that.

are you new here?? kork remembers. he and i both said '1tb is not a gift' and the response was 'aww you fat slobs are in front of your tvs 24/7 all month'

Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:20 pm to CAD703X
quote:Yeah, the current NN rules do not cover all NN principles or ways to frick consumers. But rather than plug the holes, you support those that want to open ALL the holes to frick us over. Way to go.
and yet we've had them for years even under the current obama-NN.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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In the UK where this is a true free market for internet data caps are not a thing.
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some government regulation aka NN is good

This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:21 pm to CAD703X
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again, that has everything to do with crony capitalism and nothing to do with NN rulings.
The two are connected
how can you not grasp this.
If you want the answers you want to hear but not the truth go back to the Poliboard.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:22 pm to CAD703X
The UK has a free market with ISPs and NN rules
do some research before talking nonsense.
do some research before talking nonsense.
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