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re: Battle of the Streaming Boxes

Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by IPlayedGreatTonight
New Orleans, LA
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:20 pm to
i completely forgot about the nexus player.

considering returning my AFTV for it.

EDIT: nevermind that. no ethernet port on NP. who's trying to stream high definition media over wifi? bad choice google.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 5:08 pm
Posted by heypaul
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:26 pm to
Im thinking of getting a fire stick and seeing if i can install that XBMC.....
Posted by IPlayedGreatTonight
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Im thinking of getting a fire stick and seeing if i can install that XBMC.....


it can. but if you're willing to spend the extra money the full box is always a better choice.
Posted by Casty McBoozer
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

nevermind that. no ethernet port on NP. who's trying to stream high definition media over wifi. bad choice google.

Good catch. No ethernet is a deal breaker for me also.
Posted by heypaul
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:45 pm to
but is a stick truly mobile?
can i take it to grandmas (who doesn't have HD channels on her TV) or to the hotel on vacation, and use it where ever we go?
Posted by heypaul
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

nevermind that. no ethernet port on NP. who's trying to stream high definition media over wifi. bad choice google.

my smart TV in the living room streams full HD via wifi, and it looks great.
Posted by Casty McBoozer
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:53 pm to
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my smart TV in the living room streams full HD via wifi, and it looks great.

Yeah? How's your fast forward and rewind functions?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:53 pm to
Really? For streaming from the internet, who cares? I mean, I'd understand if you were trying to stream 25-50GB Blu-ray quality video or higher from your local network, and your router was an old N150 or something that was situated on the other side of a big house, and there was a cordless phone and a baby monitor in between it. But otherwise, where's the bottleneck when it comes to streaming?

Pretty sure the Nexus player has 802.11AC with 2 spatial streams. Hell, with any modern 802.11AC router now (not that you need one), if the signal were strong enough, your throughput would outpace a NAS drive's sequential read. There are probably other reasons to avoid the Nexus player, though. But if WiFi is the problem, time for a new router.
Posted by heypaul
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:59 pm to
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Yeah? How's your fast forward and rewind functions?

90% of the time it's netflix or amazon movies.
there's not a lot of fast forward and/or rewinding going on.
it may get paused to go pee or to go get the popcorn from the kitchen, but yea it's fanfreakingtastic on netflix ultraHD or Amazon (1080p)


Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 4:04 pm to
Yeah, I'm thinking they want ethernet for home network HD streaming for full bitrate 1080p or something (40 Mbps from blu-ray), because needing it for Internet streaming is just a silly concept. Even still, not necessary for the home network nowadays unless your router's shitty.
Posted by Casty McBoozer
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Really? For streaming from the internet, who cares?

I'm streaming from a local file share, rarely from the internet.

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25-50GB Blu-ray quality

No. Maybe 1 GB.

quote:

situated on the other side of a big house, and there was a cordless phone and a baby monitor in between it.

No, I use 2 older Unifi APs on two sides of a larger home, and the TV is about 30 feet from one of them. They're 802.11n.

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Hell, with any modern 802.11AC router now (not that you need one), if the signal were strong enough, your throughput would outpace a NAS drive's sequential read.

What kind of shitty NAS are you talking about? And a NAS doesn't have to worry about interference and walls and furniture. Irrelevant argument.

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But if WiFi is the problem, time for a new router.

My router has a quad core Atom processor and 4 gigabit ethernet ports. It does not have any wireless access point built into it. I use separate wireless access points for that. No they aren't AC, they're 802.11n 2.4 GHz.

I'm sure 5 GHz would do much much better, but unless you have something really new, then it's not going to have AC capability. And gigabit ethernet will outperform AC all day long in both throughput and reliability. Hell for streaming video I'll take 100 Mbps wired over 802.11ac all day.

So, you ask me Really? Yes, really. If a streaming media device doesn't have an ethernet port, I'm scratching if off my list.
Posted by Casty McBoozer
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:07 pm to
Oh look, there's a thread on the tech board right now about a guy not being happy with his Fire TV wireless: LINK

I'm shocked.
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:14 pm to
I don't think I'm a good example, my wifi comes from a router downstairs in a restaurant. My qualms with AFTV come from more than just my connection though. But it's growing on me, I'll probably keep it b/c my gf likes it.
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:14 pm to
I don't think I'm a good example, my wifi comes from a router downstairs in a restaurant. My qualms with AFTV come from more than just my connection though. But it's growing on me, I'll probably keep it b/c my gf likes it.
Posted by jeepfreak
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:18 pm to
I've got the Roku 3. No complaints whatsoever. I have mine hard-wired into my router via ethernet cable. It loads quickly with very little delay and has all of the popular streaming services available.

It also has thousands of free channels, most of which are crap, but a few interesting ones.
Posted by heypaul
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:19 pm to
Let's get back on the subject.
I'd like to hear about the different user experiences with the streaming devices.....


Posted by Casty McBoozer
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:26 pm to
Sorry.

I bought an Ouya a while back after returning a Roku 3.

I don't use Netflix, Hulu, HBOgo, etc, though. I stream from a file share on my network.

Although the Roku has that capability through Plex, I needed to run a plex service on the machine where the share was, and I really didn't like Plex's user interface. I found it obnoxious.

So I got an Ouya and side-loaded XBMC. It does what I need it to, and I can also run emulated NES, SNES, and some N64 games on it.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 7:26 pm to
Calm your tits.

quote:

No. Maybe 1 GB.

Then if you had wireless reliability issues streaming small files like that, something is wrong.

quote:

What kind of shitty NAS are you talking about? And a NAS doesn't have to worry about interference and walls and furniture. Irrelevant argument.


Yeah, exaggeration. I'm talking about a NAS, for example, with typical WD reds that top out at about 100 MB/s sequential read in best case. In the scenario I stated, just to emphasize the throughput potential in a worthwhile wireless router, with an AC router with a strong signal (talking in the same room, of course) achieving full throughput per spatial stream, you'd see the Nexus player (2x2) achieve over 800Mbps on an 80MHz channel, translating to just over 100 MB/s (obviously, you'd need a router with a CPU that can quickly process large packets, absolutely zero attenuation as well, so it's not realistic with two spatial streams and accounting for overhead as well. Probably more appropriate to use a low-power laptop HDD as the media source example. But that's all it was, just an example related to throughput -- a fraction of which would be needed for local streaming -- ignoring all interference of course, which you clarified to be your issue rather than throughput, so never mind.)

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And gigabit ethernet will outperform AC all day long in both throughput and reliability.

It will indeed, if your clients or AP have less than 3 or 4 spatial streams, or your AP placement is not adequate. And sure, even in a perfect scenario, Gbps ethernet > 4x4 MU-MIMO 802.11 AC. But so much more reliable that your wireless experience actually hinders seamless streaming of small media files in any way? Nah, something's wrong there. But APs/routers do vary, as do houses and the freedom to place equipment where it would perform best (so many people ask for router recommendations because their current one doesn't cut it and the wife won't allow it to be moved and mounted elsewhere).
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 8:23 pm to
I was running XBMC on a jailbroken ATV2 for over two years. Earlier this year (last year), I bought a Fire TV and let me tell you it runs XBMC so much smoother. It's night and day after using the ATV2 for all that time. It's definitely worth it for that alone.

However, I will say that I HATE the interface of the native FTV apps like Netflix and WatchESPN. I find myself using both boxes - the FTV solely to run XBMC and the ATV2 for the native apps.
Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:37 am to
quote:

I was running XBMC on a jailbroken ATV2 for over two years. Earlier this year (last year), I bought a Fire TV and let me tell you it runs XBMC so much smoother. It's night and day after using the ATV2 for all that time. It's definitely worth it for that alone.

However, I will say that I HATE the interface of the native FTV apps like Netflix and WatchESPN. I find myself using both boxes - the FTV solely to run XBMC and the ATV2 for the native apps.



This, I got tired of the ATV2 constantly rebooting and half the addons not working. So I ordered my 3rd FTV and tried to reload XBMC on the ATV2. Well ATV 2 updated and now I can't get XBMC back on it. No worries. I was prepared to kiss it goodbye for good
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 7:38 am
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