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Any Wireless Pros in here?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:05 pm
Quick background. I’m a System/Net Admin. I have my CCNA R&S, so I’m fairly knowledgeable about IP networking, subnetting, routing, switching etc. Wireless however is its own field and can go really deep. So I’d like to defer to someone here.
. My company bought another local company. So we’re getting rid off a ton of Semi new Ubiquiti shite. We’re moving towards standardization with Cisco everything. So it’s all going away. Boss told me, he doesn’t care what happens to the old stuff, free reign.
I’m fortunate enough to get 2-3 POE Switches. Cloud Key, One AP HD, and two AP LRs. I spent the past couple of days tinkering around and switching my network over.
Currently I’ve been using 2 wire backhauled Google WiFi pucks. I pay for 400mpbs through Spectrum and most of the time my phone can pull 400-427ish when I’m in the same room. Save me the usual speed test variables that we’re all aware of.
So when I switched everything over I was little disappointed to see I was only pulling 135ish mpbs. I tested the shite out of this, a million different ways, servers, topology, placement, different times of day etc. when I hooked my Google Pucks back up. I went right back to a full 400mpbs.
The ONLY thing I can think of is this. I had to use my primary Google wifi puck, as my WAN connection, and DHCP server. There must be some loss/inefficiency when Google WiFi has other APs downstream. Another tidbit my hardwired Apple TV only has 100/10 port. When The Unifi APs are on the network, the Apple TV drops down to 45-55 mpbs on a hardwired Speedtest. When they’re removed, and the Google Pucks are active it goes right back to 93-98mpbs. Very strange considering it’s hardwired. I swapped cables, switches, etc. Common variable was the Unifi APs being down stream of the main Google WiFi puck.
Therefore I ordered a Unify USG to use for my WAN connection/DHCP server. Should be here tomorrow. I plan to give it all a shot then. I REALLY want to use the Ubiquiti stuff. On paper it’s better, and I can configure it a lot more. For those of you that have Ubiquiti, how much speed to you lose through your APs, and do you agree that trying the USG is probably my best move?
Also I’m thinking I should run a wire shark on my network and see WTF is going on when the change happens.
. My company bought another local company. So we’re getting rid off a ton of Semi new Ubiquiti shite. We’re moving towards standardization with Cisco everything. So it’s all going away. Boss told me, he doesn’t care what happens to the old stuff, free reign.
I’m fortunate enough to get 2-3 POE Switches. Cloud Key, One AP HD, and two AP LRs. I spent the past couple of days tinkering around and switching my network over.
Currently I’ve been using 2 wire backhauled Google WiFi pucks. I pay for 400mpbs through Spectrum and most of the time my phone can pull 400-427ish when I’m in the same room. Save me the usual speed test variables that we’re all aware of.
So when I switched everything over I was little disappointed to see I was only pulling 135ish mpbs. I tested the shite out of this, a million different ways, servers, topology, placement, different times of day etc. when I hooked my Google Pucks back up. I went right back to a full 400mpbs.
The ONLY thing I can think of is this. I had to use my primary Google wifi puck, as my WAN connection, and DHCP server. There must be some loss/inefficiency when Google WiFi has other APs downstream. Another tidbit my hardwired Apple TV only has 100/10 port. When The Unifi APs are on the network, the Apple TV drops down to 45-55 mpbs on a hardwired Speedtest. When they’re removed, and the Google Pucks are active it goes right back to 93-98mpbs. Very strange considering it’s hardwired. I swapped cables, switches, etc. Common variable was the Unifi APs being down stream of the main Google WiFi puck.
Therefore I ordered a Unify USG to use for my WAN connection/DHCP server. Should be here tomorrow. I plan to give it all a shot then. I REALLY want to use the Ubiquiti stuff. On paper it’s better, and I can configure it a lot more. For those of you that have Ubiquiti, how much speed to you lose through your APs, and do you agree that trying the USG is probably my best move?
Also I’m thinking I should run a wire shark on my network and see WTF is going on when the change happens.
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:13 pm to LSURep864
I just got a usg and I’m waiting for my fiber instal. Been running the uap ac pros for a while with good performance. Only paid for 200x30 and that’s about what I would get with the luxul router I had.
I am also probably going to look at the newer APs and a PoE switch from them. I’m far from a network admin. Just read and learn and like to tinker.
There is a UniFi forum that you can look at for some info
Is everything updated to the latest firmware?
Got any PoE switch’s you want to offload
I am also probably going to look at the newer APs and a PoE switch from them. I’m far from a network admin. Just read and learn and like to tinker.
There is a UniFi forum that you can look at for some info
Is everything updated to the latest firmware?
Got any PoE switch’s you want to offload
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:46 pm to NOLAGT
Thanks for the information!
I’ve kinda had to learn wireless on the fly for my current role. I’ve been implementing a bunch of Merakis with Radius authentication. At work if I install an AP and it works, and is useful in our production network my caring stops. My end users are NOT needy or picky. However at my own home, I tinker for hours trying maximize my network. So I was shocked to see Google WiFi outperform this Unifi stuff. Hope the USG fixes it. Should have arrived today but I canceled and re ordered so many times on Amazon I got bumped back a day. I’ll make sure to provide updates once it gets implemented.
How big of a PoE switch would you be looking for?
I’ve kinda had to learn wireless on the fly for my current role. I’ve been implementing a bunch of Merakis with Radius authentication. At work if I install an AP and it works, and is useful in our production network my caring stops. My end users are NOT needy or picky. However at my own home, I tinker for hours trying maximize my network. So I was shocked to see Google WiFi outperform this Unifi stuff. Hope the USG fixes it. Should have arrived today but I canceled and re ordered so many times on Amazon I got bumped back a day. I’ll make sure to provide updates once it gets implemented.
How big of a PoE switch would you be looking for?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 5:30 pm to LSURep864
There are a bunch of setting in the USG (and maybe other routers) that I do t know what they do yet 
I drink bourbon and tinker some at night. I’m trying to get on gig fiber and maximize my home network as well. I like the controller and how I can use it on all the devices. Time will tell...hope it works for ya as well.
I was looking at the 24/500watt. Maybe the 48 but they are pricy and I don’t reeeaaallly need that many.
I drink bourbon and tinker some at night. I’m trying to get on gig fiber and maximize my home network as well. I like the controller and how I can use it on all the devices. Time will tell...hope it works for ya as well. I was looking at the 24/500watt. Maybe the 48 but they are pricy and I don’t reeeaaallly need that many.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 8:42 pm to LSURep864
I'm about to pull the trigger on the edgerouter x to replace an old netgear all in one that has long needed replacement. Got any of the APs you're looking to find a home for?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 1:21 pm to LSURep864
Swapping the router shouldn't matter, but who knows? It might be a case where Google thinks it knows best.
On the 5GHz band, is your channel width set to 80MHz?
On the 5GHz band, is your channel width set to 80MHz?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 2:20 pm to TAMU-93
I’ll have to check, would you recommend 80mhz for the 5Ghz?
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 7:22 pm to LSURep864
Yes. More bandwidth means more speed. But operating across multiple channels puts you at greater risk of interference from others using those channels. Use a WiFi analyzer to avoid congested channels.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 7:29 pm to LSURep864
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We’re moving towards standardization with Cisco everything. So it’s all going away. Boss told me, he doesn’t care what happens to the old stuff, free reign.
Terrible, Cisco will have you by the balls.
As for wifi, Ubiquiti is great.
Anyway, There's no telling how Ubiquiti and Google picks interplay. It's not all standardized protocols. They can use standard protocols to interplay but the meshing may be different.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:29 pm to Hulkklogan
The decision to go Cisco was decided back at Corporate before I was hired. I’m THE ONLY guy for my region. Satellite Office and a ton of plants. However I’m just in charge of the actual implementation, configuration, and administration of the networks.
If corporate wants to spend several hundred thousand dollars with Cisco it doesn’t bother me. I’m pretty fond of Cisco in terms of CLI, and IOS.
If corporate wants to spend several hundred thousand dollars with Cisco it doesn’t bother me. I’m pretty fond of Cisco in terms of CLI, and IOS.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:50 pm to LSURep864
I see.
I understand why some corporate policies may require using all of one vendor but all it really does is lock you in and allow them to gouge you. I work for a small-ish ISP.. we use Cisco in our core but we also use Juniper a lot in other parts of our network. But Cisco TAC is pretty hard to beat, and when shite hits the fan that's damn important.
I understand why some corporate policies may require using all of one vendor but all it really does is lock you in and allow them to gouge you. I work for a small-ish ISP.. we use Cisco in our core but we also use Juniper a lot in other parts of our network. But Cisco TAC is pretty hard to beat, and when shite hits the fan that's damn important.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 9:37 pm to Hulkklogan
Can’t beat Cisco. They may be more expensive, but you get what you pay for. When all hell breaks loose they are there by your side.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 6:10 pm to TAMU-93
Thanks man. That was basically it. Had to tinker around with the bandwidth and channels.
I knew that AP-HD was supposed to be a beast. It sure is. The AP LR for the bedroom also pumps out max through put.
I now get full 400 mpbs throughput basically all over my house. Good bye Google WiFi.
I knew that AP-HD was supposed to be a beast. It sure is. The AP LR for the bedroom also pumps out max through put.
I now get full 400 mpbs throughput basically all over my house. Good bye Google WiFi.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:30 pm to LSURep864
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Had to tinker around with the bandwidth and channels.
Ubiquiti takes some tinkering to maximize benchmarks. It's enterprise stuff, though. A lot of consumer routers can give you better single-client line-of-sight benchmarks, but you'll get much better general daily use results (immeasurable) with it than your run of the mill stuff out there, though.
I have a pair of AC Pro APs. I think when I really tinker and have a single live device with a single network, I'll get as good as 600mbps (I pay for a gig up and down and consistently benchmark >950mbps on my hardwired clients).
I don't do it that way though. I have some smart lights that default back to wireless g and slow everything down, so they're on their own SSID now. When using that one, I typically get about 60mbps each way. But it essentially doesn't behave any different than if I'm at much higher speeds when talking about normal cell phone/tablet use. I'm sure downloading large files, you would notice a difference.
But one thing I learned from the subreddit and forums is that driving yourself crazy over benchmarks won't prove a whole lot. The things work well and are very powerful APs. Worry about numbers if your performance is bad. Use their band scanner and such if it is.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:15 pm to LSURep864
Glad it’s working out.
You can also scan channels for interference within the UniFi controller.
Hit me up if you come across any switch’s. Nolagt3 at gmail
You can also scan channels for interference within the UniFi controller.
Hit me up if you come across any switch’s. Nolagt3 at gmail
Posted on 5/30/19 at 11:02 pm to LSURep864
Glad to hear. Cheers!
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