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re: Why do so many people think they have the "rule change" that will fix soccer?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:04 pm to Bho
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:04 pm to Bho
I really think we should start threads on the MSB creating the best possible lineups for a basketball and football team.
Imagine if the whole world played basketball and football and we used the best athletes.
Point guard: Xavi
Shooting guard: Messi
Small forward: Ronaldo
Power forward: Balotelli
Center: Peter Crouch
Imagine if the whole world played basketball and football and we used the best athletes.
Point guard: Xavi
Shooting guard: Messi
Small forward: Ronaldo
Power forward: Balotelli
Center: Peter Crouch
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:10 pm to The Mick
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Then the ref needs to determine if that particular offense was carless, wreckless, or excessive....
Seems to me as you are trying to make it out to be alot of variations.
to the rest of us, Play happens: ok was there a foul. if so, was it a cardable offense.
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Kick opponent
Trip
Jump at
Charge
Strike or attempt to strike
Push
im confused.
A) don't know what a strike or attempt to strike means. Charge is a basketball call. Not sure Jumping at someone is a foul.
b) Its all labeled under contact or something like that. why do you have to break out all the variations. I dont and i imagine soccer refs don't think about the 90000 different ways you can violate a rule, rather if a person in that instance broke it.
no different than the holding call in american football. You can hold in 97,000 variations.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:19 pm to The Mick
What constitutes a "goal scoring opportunity"? Just the immediate score of a goal? The eventual lead up to a goal where the first pass went to an offside player? Will a counterattack be stopped after 8 sec only if the attack succeeds with a goal? This just leads to more ambiguity past solving the initial issue.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:22 pm to KneffLSU
quote:I agree. I think it would be a disaster to try to have replay for offside. My initial comment about goal scoring event I guess I meant one-touch finish from offside player. But forget that, it would be a debacle.
This just leads to more ambiguity past solving the initial issue.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:45 pm to The Mick
Didn't realize they actually spelled everything out. Its been along arse time since i have actually read the rules.
Doesn't change the way that i think the refs and players look at the rules however. I doubt any ref goes. i think that is a charge. no maybe a strike. no i think he just kicked the opponent.
A foul is a foul. After you decide that it is, you decide if it was cardable. the logic might be circular for someone unfamiliar with the rules (Not saying you are) but it makes good sense to those playing/ reffing. Its a two thought process. Knowing the variations doesn't matter. as long as you know the rules.
But the variation you are talking about happen for every rule in every sport. IE holding calls and the times when an offensive player can or can't hold. Or even the traveling rule in the nba when you can take an extra step to lay up or dunk etc.
Doesn't change the way that i think the refs and players look at the rules however. I doubt any ref goes. i think that is a charge. no maybe a strike. no i think he just kicked the opponent.
A foul is a foul. After you decide that it is, you decide if it was cardable. the logic might be circular for someone unfamiliar with the rules (Not saying you are) but it makes good sense to those playing/ reffing. Its a two thought process. Knowing the variations doesn't matter. as long as you know the rules.
But the variation you are talking about happen for every rule in every sport. IE holding calls and the times when an offensive player can or can't hold. Or even the traveling rule in the nba when you can take an extra step to lay up or dunk etc.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:54 pm to petar
quote:I think the rules have different levels for the ref to consider all in a moment's timeframe. I don't know of any other sport where ref has to determine if something was intentional or not for example. Like hoops, if you touch the ball with two hands its double dribble or you drop the ball accidentally after you picked up your dribble. Its double dribble, period. Doesn't matter if you intended to do it or not.. Or football you hit a guy helmet to helmet, that's it penalty doesn't matter if you meant to or not.
A foul is a foul. After you decide that it is, you decide if it was cardable. the logic might be circular for someone unfamiliar with the rules (Not saying you are) but it makes good sense to those playing/ reffing.
Know what I mean? Again I might not be explaining myself well. Maybe there are examples in other sports I just cant think of any right now.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:56 pm to Bho
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Why do so many people think they have the "rule change" that will fix soccer
Just so you know, the word fix is what should be in qutations
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:57 pm to jeff5891
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Just so you know, the word fix is what should be in qutations
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:00 pm to The Mick
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Know what I mean?
Yea I do but Basketball there is this for some fouls intentional elbow, clear chance, etc. (granted they get to review it in most if not all circumstances)
No idea for hockey but i would think there would be some of this.
They use to have it in football for facemask and roughing the kicker. but i think they took them out.
I guess you are right
, i don't know if there is a reasonable solution for soccer thoughPosted on 6/30/14 at 3:09 pm to The Mick
Man you would think autocorrect would work
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This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:26 pm to jeff5891
Does anyone have a good reason why a second referee shouldn't be added on the field?
It seems difficult for one person (I know he has assistants) to cover that much ground and be in position to see what he needs to see.
It seems difficult for one person (I know he has assistants) to cover that much ground and be in position to see what he needs to see.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:28 pm to Dizz
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Does anyone have a good reason why a second referee shouldn't be added on the field?
Clutter. All a ref really needs to do is watch the ball.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:30 pm to Dizz
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Does anyone have a good reason why a second referee shouldn't be added on the field?
speaking as a referee, it's a horrible idea and completely throws the game to shite. it leads to inconsistent calls and general clusterfrick of a game progress. they do this crap for some high school games here in LA and I absolutely hate it.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:33 pm to Pinetar
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they do this crap for some high school games here in LA and I absolutely hate it.
Yea i never liked playing with the 2 centers and no AR's
granted i really more had a problem (as a defender) with the offside call more than anything (and i dont think the question pertained to dropping the ar)
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:35 pm to Bho
Because this is their first time watching and the want it to be more like _______ sport
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