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re: The Mou and Pep Show, 1st installment, Santiago Bernabeu
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:02 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:02 am to hendersonshands
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What criteria are you using to judge strikers?
pace, finishing, positioning, first touch
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:03 am to uway
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Barca is the devil b/c they fell down when they got kicked and punched. Playing to injure the other team means you deserve to lose with 10 men. Watch Xabi's face right after the Pepe foul. He knew what just happened.
Falling down when you get kicked is okay, but we all know that some go down more easily than others. Aside from the adebayor scuffles, there was nothing to the face besides incidental contact which busquets et al had no problem making the most of. I don't care that there was contact, I care that they went down like they had been pepper sprayed. Xabi knew it wouldn't end well as soon as the whistle blew. Yes, there was contact and he was studs up technically, but it was a glancing blow. There is a difference between the scholes red and the pepe red even though they were similar in nature. As much as I am ashamed to admit it I don't even think scholes deserved his red, much less pepe.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:05 am to hendersonshands
If we're going to try to use stats as a measuring stick, which is always tricky, let's compare him to Mario Gomez.
David Villa has played in 58 this season for club and country. He has 33 goals on 217 shots and 7 assists.
Mario Gomez has played in 36 games this season for club and country. He has 37 goals on 126 shots and 3 assists.
So Mario Gomez has 4 more goals in 22 less games. He's also scoring on 29% of his shots. David Villa is scoring on 15% of his shots.
David Villa has played in 58 this season for club and country. He has 33 goals on 217 shots and 7 assists.
Mario Gomez has played in 36 games this season for club and country. He has 37 goals on 126 shots and 3 assists.
So Mario Gomez has 4 more goals in 22 less games. He's also scoring on 29% of his shots. David Villa is scoring on 15% of his shots.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:06 am to puffulufogous
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Aside from the adebayor scuffles, there was nothing to the face besides incidental contact
Lass Diarra was playing pretty physical in the midfield to start the match. He was lucky to avoid an early yellow. Not that there is anything wrong with the way he was playing.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:08 am to hendersonshands
If you wanna go with goals in big games, Gomez had 8 goals in the Champions League. Villa has 3 and has played in 9 games compared to Gomez's 6.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:12 am to hendersonshands
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So Mario Gomez has 4 more goals in 22 less games. He's also scoring on 29% of his shots. David Villa is scoring on 15% of his shots.
Gomez is having a shite hot season, I give him that. But can he do it for 12 seasons? We will see
I also find it funny that you wanted to sell him off something fierce this past off season.
Also I believe Gomez plays a more central role in Bayern's attack whereas Villa plays a more secondary role to some of the best players in the world. With more roosters, there are less hens to frick.
Hell Drogba doesn't have as many goals in his career (which started a year before Villa). I only mention this because I would put him in the list right now.
Other then Villa's age, I just don't see a knock to his play style, goal scoring ability and still feel that he is one of the best strikers in the world.
This post was edited on 4/28/11 at 1:14 am
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:13 am to hendersonshands
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If you wanna go with goals in big games, Gomez had 8 goals in the Champions League. Villa has 3 and has played in 9 games compared to Gomez's 6.
See More Roosters analogy in last post
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:16 am to Goose
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Gomez is having a shite hot season, I give him that. But can he do it for 12 seasons? We will see
Gomez was incredible for Stuttgart before Bayern bought him and he struggled in the shadow of Klose (which he's still doing on the National Team) and Olic. He's been given consistent playing time and he's making it pay off.
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I also find it funny that you wanted to sell him off something fierce this past off season.
Yeah I did, he wasn't earning his money. Now he is. Ribery can die though.
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Also I believe Gomez plays a more central role in Bayern's attack whereas Villa plays a more secondary role to some of the best players in the world. With more roosters, their are less hens to frick.
Messi is the only guy who should take away goals from Villa. Gomez plays with Robben who loves shooting more than he loves wooden shoes and dams.
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Hell Drogba doesn't have as many goals in his career (which started a year before Villa). I only mention this because I would put him in the list right now.
Drogba as recently as last season could have been stated as the best striker. Not anymore.
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Other then Villa's age, I just don't see a knock to his play style, goal scoring ability and still feel that he is one of the best strikers in the world.
I'm not saying Villa isn't world class, I'm just saying he's not the best and he's not playing like the best.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:17 am to Goose
How many goals did Gomez have on the biggest stage of them all?
David Villa had 5 and the World Cup?
David Villa had 5 and the World Cup?
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:19 am to Goose
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How many goals did Gomez have on the biggest stage of them all?
Apples to oranges. Germany plays a 1 striker system and unfortunately for Gomez, Miroslav Klose is a legend and he gains super powers when he puts a Germany shirt on. Ronaldo in his prime wouldn't take the spot away from Klose.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:19 am to hendersonshands
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David Villa is not the best striker in the world.
agree. I will give it to you that villa is a clinical finisher, but he is not the greatest all around striker. I think that honor should go to someone who
A) can finish
B) is physical enough to muscle out defenders
C) can hold the ball up when need be
D) is skillful enough to beat a defender in front of him
E) can take FKs
While Villa is great at A and D and fair/good at B and E, I would rather have Drogba who can do A, B, C, and E great and D well enough. Tevez, who couldn't replace Villa in his role, is indeed a bit more versatile as are Rooney, Zlatan, etc.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:25 am to hendersonshands
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Gomez was incredible for Stuttgart before Bayern bought him and he struggled in the shadow of Klose (which he's still doing on the National Team) and Olic. He's been given consistent playing time and he's making it pay off.
I'm not saying that he isn't looking promising, and if he keeps it up for a few more seasons, he would likely be in the convo.
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Messi is the only guy who should take away goals from Villa. Gomez plays with Robben who loves shooting more than he loves wooden shoes and dams.
He is 3rd in La Liga behind Messi and CRon... that isn't horrible
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Drogba as recently as last season could have been stated as the best striker. Not anymore.
I agree, but I think Drogba is getting bored with Chelsea. He could see a revival of sorts with another club.
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I'm not saying Villa isn't world class, I'm just saying he's not the best and he's not playing like the best.
I guess we can agree to disagree. Hell even Pedro is in the Top 8 in La Liga scoring. I still think he has to be in the Top 10 in the world easy.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 1:32 am to puffulufogous
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B) is physical enough to muscle out defenders
For a poacher this really isn't a necessity. positioning and playing on a defenders shoulder ready to spring on killer balls and crosses can be just as effective. Villa is by no means a target man. And there aren't very many all strikers that do all 5 of your cats amazingly.
Your B and C are more suited for a Ibra, Rey Leon, Cavani, Dzeko etc...
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I would rather have Drogba who can do A, B, C, and E great and D well enough.
I agree that Drogba is in the conversation.
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Tevez, who couldn't replace Villa in his role, is indeed a bit more versatile as are Rooney, Zlatan, etc.
I'll give you Tevez and Rooney's versatility, but Zlatan while an amazing player isn't "that" versatile.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 3:29 am to Goose
Again, not saying villa isn't good at what he does. I just know he relies on a lot of good service. Just think of it like this. If you were building a club from scratch, which striker would you draft in the first round? Personally I would pick drogba. He is talented, strong, fast, experienced, etc, etc.
Well Zlatan is a target man who can, or at least used to be able to, take defenders one on one.
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I'll give you Tevez and Rooney's versatility, but Zlatan while an amazing player isn't "that" versatile.
Well Zlatan is a target man who can, or at least used to be able to, take defenders one on one.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 7:05 am to puffulufogous
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Zlatan is a target man who can, or at least used to be able to, take his psycho analyst one on one.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 7:10 am to Dandy Lion
bump
Posted on 4/28/11 at 8:46 am to Dandy Lion
B.I.T.C.H.S.Q.U.E.T.S
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:06 am to Leauxgan
That kind of shite should be a straight red card.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:07 am to puffulufogous
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greatest all around striker. I think that honor should go to someone who
A) can finish
B) is physical enough to muscle out defenders
C) can hold the ball up when need be
D) is skillful enough to beat a defender in front of him
E) can take FK
most well-rounded does not always equate to best. ronaldo has pretty much everything that you could want in an attacking player, and with an extension of those criteria, would be the best attacking player in the world. however, there is a little midget out there that would say otherwise
shite, by that criteria, ronaldo is probably the best striker in the world when he plays in that role. of course, have ronaldo pressure defenders, and after a minute or so, he will simply throw his hands up in the air and walk away.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 9:14 am to Leauxgan
I'm done watching Barca... Madrid probably too, but my main beef is with Barca.
It's the same shite in every big match.
Dive any time you're touched.
Beg the ref for cards.
Beg long enough that someone gets sent off or a call doesn't go the opponents way.
Win the game a man up.
Claim they deserve it because the other team did not play "attacking football."
I'm going to shitpiss a hole through the floor if I read an interview with that bitch Xavi after another big match where Xavi claims BArca was better because the other team did not play "attacking football." Newsflash for you greaseball, there is more than one way to play football. As much as you and your greaseball teammates may want to think it, you didn't invent the game.
I agree with Mourinho.
I may not watch the final against United. I'm imagining the diving will be worse.
There's my rant. Sweet melt.
It's the same shite in every big match.
Dive any time you're touched.
Beg the ref for cards.
Beg long enough that someone gets sent off or a call doesn't go the opponents way.
Win the game a man up.
Claim they deserve it because the other team did not play "attacking football."
I'm going to shitpiss a hole through the floor if I read an interview with that bitch Xavi after another big match where Xavi claims BArca was better because the other team did not play "attacking football." Newsflash for you greaseball, there is more than one way to play football. As much as you and your greaseball teammates may want to think it, you didn't invent the game.
I agree with Mourinho.
I may not watch the final against United. I'm imagining the diving will be worse.
There's my rant. Sweet melt.
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