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Spain vs. England, Clash of the Titans

Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:11 pm
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They are two of Europe’s most influential countries, two states that have historically affected a large part of the globe by means of colonization, trade, politics, even language – English and Spanish are the most spoken tongues on the planet, besides Mandarin Chinese. Through centuries England and Spain have been engaged in armed conflict on at least ten occasions and although their present day relations are anything but hostile, there’s still a serious issue yet to be settled. And I don’t mean the status of Gibraltar.

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I am of course talking about football and two of the Beautiful Game’s superpowers fighting it out for continental (if not global) domination, at least at club level. Which one is the best: the Premier League or the Primera División? Anfield or Santiago Bernabéu? Wayne Rooney or Leo Messi? Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but certain objective factors cannot be overlooked.

Who’s the Boss?

The battle for European primacy has been raging on ever since the UEFA competitions kicked off, back in the 1950s. Spain dominated in the beginning with Real Madrid winning six Champions’ Cups in 11 years (including the first five) and their cross-town rivals Atlético the ’61-’62 Cup Winners’ Cup. In the ‘60s came Italy with four Champions’ Cup trophies and a couple of Cup Winners’ Cup triumphs, having Milan as their frontrunners and then arrived the Dutch with their Total Football, claiming four consecutive Champions’ Cups, together with success in both the UEFA Cup and the Super Cup. It was all followed up by a tug o’ war between Bob Paisley’s Liverpool and the German sides, which lasted for a decade starting in the mid-‘70s, before the Italians were back in the limelight throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s, boasting an impressive 23 pieces of European silverware across all four competitions – not to mention another 17 runners-up spots.
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Manchester United Away

Ringing the Changes

The balance of power in the Old Continent started to shift by the late ‘90s, shortly after the Bosman ruling, the hegemonic TV rights deal between the English Premier League and satellite broadcaster BSkyB in 1992 and of course the establishment of the Champions League, three seemingly separate incidents that radically changed the face of football as we knew it. Huge amounts of television-generated cash flowed in across Europe with two major beneficiaries; you guessed it, England and Spain.

Soon it became obvious on the field. Starting with Manchester United’s famous come-back 2-1 victory over Bayern Munich in ’99, the English won the Champions League three times in recent years and have featured in six of the last seven finals, including the 2007-’08 Chelsea – ManU showdown in Moscow. They also added another three European Super Cup victories and one more UEFA Cup to their collection.

Simply the Best

The Spaniards fared even better than that. Since 1997 Real Madrid won the Holy Grail of European football three times, a feat repeated by Barcelona, while the 1999-2000 final in Paris was an all-Spanish affair. That was also the case seven years later in the UEFA Cup, with the trophy heading to the Iberian peninsula four times in seven seasons. Add to that another seven Super Cups in just 15 years, including the last three, and you get the picture.

The English waste no opportunity to remind the rest of the world that they invented football. Sometimes they do it in awkward fashion, like the recent Dave Richards comments, when the Premier League chairman suggested that FIFA and UEFA “stole” the game from England. Within the field of play, however, the Spanish seem to be doing a better job of late. Besides dominating European competitions over the past 15 years with 17 trophies won, compared to their major rivals’ seven, they have also prevailed in their head-to-heads. And if the recent Manchester United abjection at the hands of Athletic Bilbao is not convincing enough, let’s stick to some hard, irrefutable evidence.

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Declaring Allegiance

Six years ago Middlesbrough, these days a second-tier side, stunned the continent by making it all the way to the UEFA Cup final in only their second ever European participation. Despite eliminating the likes of Stuttgart and Roma in the process they proved no match for high-flying Sevilla, who hammered them 4-0 in the Eindhoven end-game. It was a similar story in the ’09-’10 campaign. Also playing in Europe for the second time ever, Fulham turned giant-killing into a profession before meeting Atlético Madrid in the Hamburg final. They fought bravely, but still went down 2-1 after extra-time against an unstoppable Diego Forlán. And if the UEFA Europa League history is not your cup of tea, let me just remind you that Barcelona won all of their last three Champions League crowns against – that’s right – English opposition: after overcoming Arsenal 2-1 in 2006, they claimed the Manchester United scalp both in ’09 and last year, comprehensively too I might add. Exceptions such as Chelsea’s 1998 1-0 Super Cup victory over Real Madrid or the 2001 Liverpool nine-goal thriller win after extra-time against Alavés, today languishing in the third division, merely prove the rule.

Dream Destination

And talking of exceptions, it seems that nowadays there is only one English club capable of luring top players from Spain; big-spending Manchester City bought Robinho from Real Madrid for USD 50.3 million in 2008 and Sergio Agüero from Atlético for another 55.8 million last year. According to the trend, however, first-class football stars leave England for Spain – Cristiano Ronaldo moved from Manchester United to Real for a world record 124.8 million in 2009 and Cesc Fàbregas returned to his homeland and Barcelona last year for 53.1 million.

Yes, football stadiums in Spain are below the high-tech, modern day standards largely set by the English. Yes, there is probably no other place in the world where one can enjoy a football match as much as in England – nowhere else is the Beautiful Game treated with such love and respect. But no, England is not the pacesetter of European football anymore; Spain is. And the conclusion is drawn easily, without even considering how the two great nations fare on the international level of play. Then the comparison would truly be uneven.
Posted by BraveTiger225
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:15 pm to
tl;dr
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:26 pm to
tl;dr . . bad title. title lies.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:27 pm to
Sir Francis Drake is dead. Spain > England.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

English and Spanish are the most spoken tongues on the planet, besides Mandarin Chinese.

I laughed at this line. Why not say second and third?

Very biased writing throughout.
Posted by thenry712
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Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 6/13/12 at 10:38 pm to


Spanish person

Este es español.

No other information.

#DandyLion
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 5:36 am to
Too Long
This post was edited on 6/14/12 at 5:36 am
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Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:11 am to
I skimmed. Basically a lot of bragging about doing well in Europa. Congrats Spain are kings of the NIT. A competition no good team in England even cares about.

I don't know what you are trying to prove, everybody knows Spain has two very good teams. The rest of the league simply doesn't compare to England and trying to say it does is moronic. And those two great teams, one hasn't won the CL in over a decade and the other has 1 win that wasn't achieved on the back of criminal officiating.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:46 am to
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RandySavage

you've got reading comprehension problems. I'll search for the Swahili version (or maybe, judging by the author's name, he also did one in Greek).
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:54 am to
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you've got reading comprehension problems. I'll search for the Swahili version (or maybe, judging by the author's name, he also did one in Greek).


It just doesn't make any sense what is so hard to understand. The English league is superior to Spain right now and it's not even close. In a similar way to how the Spanish national team is better than the English national team and it's not even close. I can admit that, you should suck it up and be able to do the same.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:59 am to
Machito, I believe you are referring to the 'brand value' study (when you say 'it's the EPL, and it isn't even close').

I am talking about what happens on the pitch.

The article mentioned nothing of Europa League.

He's definitely a La Ligaphile, the article amused me, and I felt it worthy of posting, as the site is referenced by some on here.

[link=(The strongest National League in the World 2011: ---------------------------------------------------------------------by IFFHS--- The Spanish Primera División is The strongest League in the World ! The world ranking for the strongest national leagues has been determined annually by the IFFHS since 1991 on the basis of all national (championship, FA Cup) and (inter)continental (confederations & FIFA club competitions) results of the clubs. This principle has proved to be a very sensitive and an objective indicator. In particular, the world ranking 2011 has produced the following: 1st The Spanish Primera División remains the strongest National League in the World. The Spanish league had a lead of 53 points over the English Premier League in 2010; in 2011 it is even 91 points ahead of the English league. The point margin between these two world-leading leagues and the following national leagues has also increased.)]The strongest National League in the World 2011[/link]

The strongest National League in the World 2010
1. España 1092,0
2. England 1039,0

Spain finished the English dominance of the last two years!

The world ranking for the strongest national leagues has been determined annually by the IFFHS since 1991 on the basis of all national (championship, FA Cup) and (inter)continental (confederations & FIFA club competitions) results of the clubs. This principle has proved to be a very sensitive and an objective indicator. In particular, the world ranking 2010 has produced the following:

1st
The English Premier League is no longer the No.1 in the world. The Spanish Primera División is now The strongest League in the World.

2nd
In comparision with 2009 - Italy and Germany have exchanged the places among the "Top 7". The Italian Serie A has above all benefited from the performances of FC Internazionale Milano, while in the German Bundesliga many teams were inconsistent over the 12 months. This was confirmed by the failure of BV Borussia Dortmund, the clear leader of the Bundesliga, in the national cup competition and in the Europe League. As a consequence the German Bundesliga fell back to 5th place.

3rd
The largest movements in performance globally – compared to 2009 - was recorded by the leagues of Portugal (8th), Ecuador (13th), Russia (14th), Peru (16th), Denmark (17th), Colombia (20th), Egypt (23rd), Iran (31st), Cyprus (35th) and Bolivia (44th), all of which secured about a hundred more points.

4th
The largest deterioration in performance globally – compared to 2009 - was recorded by the leagues of Romania and Nigeria, each amassed a hundred points fewer. And clear reductions in performance were registered by the leagues of Turkey, the Czech Republic and Austria. Consequently, the promotion of the promotion of the Austrian Bundesliga is on hold for now.

5th
The leagues of Morocco, Qatar and Kuwait improved markedly and just missed the "Top 50", while the leagues of Botswana, Malawi and India made the "Top 100" for the first time. And if the league of Azerbaijan is again placed in the "Top 90" in 2011, it will promoted in the third highest group of performance.

6th
While the league of the Republic of Korea in 2010 confirmed its growing strength and was promoted (from 1st January 2011) to the 2nd highest group of performance - as 2nd Asian league -, the league of Saudi Arabia missed this goal. Nevertheless the leagues from Saudi Arabia and Iran remain potential candidates for promotion.

7th
In Africa the leagues from Tunisia and Algeria have the best chance in future of being promoted to the 2nd highest group of performance.

8th
In the CONCACAF area the Major League Soccer (USA) improved further and has a clear lead of the following countries - and behind the Mexican Primera División which is clear the strongest league of this footballing continent.

9th
In South America the Primera División of Ecuador has improved considerably and is the third-strongest league of this footballing continent, behind the leagues of Brazil and Argentina but ahead of Peru.


This post was edited on 6/14/12 at 11:28 am
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