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re: Should MLS have relegation?
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
A few USL teams have academies already, and more will come in the future. You’ll see more investment as the league grows and makes more money.
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Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:44 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:For starters, a lot of South Americans are starting to see it as a potential stepping stone, which would be good for the league to become a feeder league to Europe.
where are they going to come from
MLS isn't a destination league
quote:It's a hell of a lot better than our current situation. You aren't going to get rid of pay to play with the snap of a finger. It's going to take multiple generations to get to that point. The money just isn't there right now. It's a pipe dream for the foreseeable future.
28 or so MLS academies isn't enough to be remotely competitive in world football. When your competition has thousands of free ones that are not even part of the professional structure.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:51 pm to Michael Stein
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A few USL teams have academies already, and more will come in the future. You’ll see more investment as the league grows and makes more money.
now imagine if the USL teams could get promoted to MLS
they would invest big time in youth development
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:51 pm to pvilleguru
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For starters, a lot of South Americans are starting to see it as a potential stepping stone, which would be good for the league to become a feeder league to Europe.
Thats pretty much the ceiling for MLS. Becoming like the Brazilian league.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Maybe, maybe not. But the key is to just keep improving.
Thats pretty much the ceiling for MLS. Becoming like the Brazilian league.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:56 pm to pvilleguru
I would be ecstatic is MLS reached that level
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:01 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:USL is about to add Birmingham next year, who will be playing in a 5k seat stadium that's owned by UAB. A lot of these USL teams clearly aren't in position to dump a ton of money into youth development.
now imagine if the USL teams could get promoted to MLS
they would invest big time in youth development
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:55 pm to pvilleguru
Every single team that gets relegated would fold almost immediately. All but 1 or 2 teams in the USL don't have anything close to the necessary facilities, money, or fan support necessary for league growth right now.
Where exactly are the positives for soccer in the US in this scenario?
Where exactly are the positives for soccer in the US in this scenario?
This post was edited on 5/13/18 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 5:35 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:40 am to arkyhawk
At this point, I'd rather expand to 40 teams and essentially have one league of 20 in the East, and one in the West. Teams in each "division" will play their 38 games against each other. And each year you could have a tournament taking the top 8 teams from each division from the previous year. Or something like that.
One thing I would hate if we only had one D1 league with only 20 teams, would be that most of America would be incredibly far from a top flight team every year. If you want to grow the game in America, people need access to the best we have to offer.
For instance this season in Germany, I think the furthest someone would be from a Bundesliga team would ~130 miles (Putgarten to Berlin)
In France, it's roughly the same as Germany.
In Spain, I think it's only slightly further (~150 miles).
In Italy, it's about 140 miles.
In England, it's 170 from Bournemouth to the South Western tip of England, but outside of that stretch, everyone is within 100 miles of a Premier League team.
Before AUFC started up, I was 400 miles from the nearest MLS club (Montgomery to Orlando), now I'm still 145 miles away from Atlanta. Some from Jackson, MS is 350 miles from Houston, Phoenix is 350 miles from LA, Detroit is 160 miles from Columbus (and they may be losing their team), Buffalo is nearly 300 miles from the nearest team in the US, Raleigh is 230 miles from DC, Nashville is getting a team but they are 210 miles from Atlanta, Little Rock is almost 300 miles from Dallas, etc.
One thing I would hate if we only had one D1 league with only 20 teams, would be that most of America would be incredibly far from a top flight team every year. If you want to grow the game in America, people need access to the best we have to offer.
For instance this season in Germany, I think the furthest someone would be from a Bundesliga team would ~130 miles (Putgarten to Berlin)
In France, it's roughly the same as Germany.
In Spain, I think it's only slightly further (~150 miles).
In Italy, it's about 140 miles.
In England, it's 170 from Bournemouth to the South Western tip of England, but outside of that stretch, everyone is within 100 miles of a Premier League team.
Before AUFC started up, I was 400 miles from the nearest MLS club (Montgomery to Orlando), now I'm still 145 miles away from Atlanta. Some from Jackson, MS is 350 miles from Houston, Phoenix is 350 miles from LA, Detroit is 160 miles from Columbus (and they may be losing their team), Buffalo is nearly 300 miles from the nearest team in the US, Raleigh is 230 miles from DC, Nashville is getting a team but they are 210 miles from Atlanta, Little Rock is almost 300 miles from Dallas, etc.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:14 am to pvilleguru
Birmingham is a bad example, because no offense to any one, I see them as being a basic lower end club. Plenty of others to looks at. St Louis has an excellent youth academy, on par with the bigger clubs. Also St Louis has the money. I'd love to get the chance to move up and play, while playing in a stadium of around 9k.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:18 am to mizslu314
Id like for there to be the MLS and USL to use relegation. Maybe even only having 2 spots, instead of the traditional 3. I dont want leagues below USL to be moving around. Those can be developmental leagues. To be in the USL you need to have at least a 6k stadium, and top 50 in tv markets. You wont need to have large crowds anymore.
The one thing that Im not sure any one can argue, relegation/promotions, keeps what would be about 7-8 struggling fan bases a reason to stay invested. Its much needed over here since someone can easily switch their focus to another pro team/sport they like when things go south. Even tho you suck, it makes you still want to go to the game and cheer, because you dont want to be sent down. Smaller cities who are newer to sport will go crazy if they get close to the chance to compete with the big cities.
The one thing that Im not sure any one can argue, relegation/promotions, keeps what would be about 7-8 struggling fan bases a reason to stay invested. Its much needed over here since someone can easily switch their focus to another pro team/sport they like when things go south. Even tho you suck, it makes you still want to go to the game and cheer, because you dont want to be sent down. Smaller cities who are newer to sport will go crazy if they get close to the chance to compete with the big cities.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:52 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Yes, but we are still growing. Will owners invest in teams if they have the chance to be pushed out of the MLS? Hell no, its not popular enough yet.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:39 pm to pvilleguru
quote:lol Cornwall is a soccer wasteland... They have a Conference South club and that's it
In England, it's 170 from Bournemouth to the South Western tip of England
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:45 pm to pvilleguru
quote:I'd like to see that number when you expand it to the 72 other clubs in next year's Football League.
, but outside of that stretch, everyone is within 100 miles of a Premier League team.
That's why relegation works elsewhere, because you don't have to be Premier League to have a relevant club in England. That's the goal we need to slowly work toward in the U.S.
National -MLS
Regional -Northeast, Midwest, South, West
State -
Metro -
I'd love to root for a Chalmation United playing in a NOLA Metro league, looking to get promoted into a Louisiana league
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:50 pm to mizslu314
You think the St. Louis expansion bid will ever get going again? From what I understand, they just needed like $60M to complete their stadium funding plan before their ownership group disbanded after the resolution didn’t pass. That’s a lot of money for us, but a drop in the bucket for the billionaires of the world. Hopefully someone can step up.
I completely understand and respect the citizens of St. Louis for voting against the use of public funds for the stadium, especially after what Stan Kroenke did with the Rams. I just hope that doesn’t permanently derail their hopes of getting an MLS team.
St. Louis has such a rich soccer history and some of the best youth talent in the country. I think they would be the next Sporting KC if they got into the league. Hope they can get the bid back together for the next round of expansion with a privately-funded stadium.
I completely understand and respect the citizens of St. Louis for voting against the use of public funds for the stadium, especially after what Stan Kroenke did with the Rams. I just hope that doesn’t permanently derail their hopes of getting an MLS team.
St. Louis has such a rich soccer history and some of the best youth talent in the country. I think they would be the next Sporting KC if they got into the league. Hope they can get the bid back together for the next round of expansion with a privately-funded stadium.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 5:56 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:Yes, but I was looking at the absolute worst case scenario in each of those countries and comparing them to just some common cities in the US (without taking Hawaii and Alaska into account).
lol Cornwall is a soccer wasteland... They have a Conference South club and that's it
Posted on 5/15/18 at 6:10 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:I think that brings the max distance down to about 75 miles, from Plymouth down to the southwest corner.
I'd like to see that number when you expand it to the 72 other clubs in next year's Football League.
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 6:16 pm
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