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re: Should MLS have relegation?
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:The league play is probably the best it's ever been, and getting better.
Makes perfect sense to add more teams to a league already lacking depth and quality
quote:With the current rules, it also allows more talent to come into the league (and if the owner has to pay $100m to get a team, he's probably going to bring in some nice talent. Also, MLS teams are currently probably the only clubs that can afford to have full fledged academies and 2nd division games, which is actually helping the talent pool. The more teams that can pay Americans a decent wage, the more interest you will from young players that are trying to decide which sport focus on. We're just now starting to provide some decent pay to players on the lower end.
All that does is make the overall talent pool worse
quote:We're also the #3 largest country in the world.
It’s already one of the biggest first divisions in the world
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Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
That’s where the MLS academy system and USL will come in. Teams are pumping more money than ever into domestic player development and it’s paying off. Just look at NYRB. Most of their players are academy products and still good MLS-quality players.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:06 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:You can do that without pro/rel, also.
Pro/Rel will put an emphasis on developing your own talent
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:09 pm to pvilleguru
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You can do that without pro/rel, also.
Yep. Just look at MLB. That's a big red herring in the argument for promotion/relegation
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:14 pm to kilo
The small market (or at least not massive market) teams in MLS will always have more natural incentive to develop domestic players because it’s harder for them to attract top DPs.
Real Salt Lake, Philly, and Dallas place a high emphasis on youth development and have some of the best academies in the league. Sporting KC is also excellent at scouting young players.
What pisses me off is how cheap the Houston Dynamo are. They could easily be one of the biggest teams in the league with tons of youth prospects if they would just invest some damn money into the team. Hope they get more ambitious owners soon.
Real Salt Lake, Philly, and Dallas place a high emphasis on youth development and have some of the best academies in the league. Sporting KC is also excellent at scouting young players.
What pisses me off is how cheap the Houston Dynamo are. They could easily be one of the biggest teams in the league with tons of youth prospects if they would just invest some damn money into the team. Hope they get more ambitious owners soon.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:15 pm to kilo
quote:
MLS has helped our Concacaaf completion far more than its helped the USMNT and that's damn ironic.
it really has
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:15 pm to kilo
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It will never work here. Why do people keep doing this to themselves? I would be all for it but soccer is clearly fourth behind the other three major sports and their minor leagues. There is no way this will work here. In other countries soccer is the only pro sports game in town/whole country.
He'll we have major pro franchises moving around because of the competition from other sports etc.
No. Relegation will never happen in MLS and the reasons why are very clear.
“Other sports are popular” isn’t an argument for not having pro/rel. The sport is growing here. In a perfect world, you can cap it and create a pyramid.
Having multiple sports hasn’t stopped USL cities such as Cincinnati and Nashville and Indianapolis from getting MLS-level attendance.
That USL support would theoretically increase if you gave lower teams a path to going up.
Pro/rel isn’t necessary, but it’s great for competition, especially in a country that is big enough to have a huge first division. Teams can’t just hang back and suck.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:16 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
The league play is probably the best it's ever been, and getting better.
eventually it will be too big and not enough players
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With the current rules, it also allows more talent to come into the league (and if the owner has to pay $100m to get a team, he's probably going to bring in some nice talent. Also, MLS teams are currently probably the only clubs that can afford to have full fledged academies and 2nd division games, which is actually helping the talent pool. The more teams that can pay Americans a decent wage, the more interest you will from young players that are trying to decide which sport focus on. We're just now starting to provide some decent pay to players on the lower end.
Until pay to play is gone will will never see a huge jump in the size of quality American players.
quote:yet with not enough good domestic players
We're also the #3 largest country in the world.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
it really has
It's a little weird people don't see this honestly.
MLS has raised the level of other Concacaaf nations while pulling US talent back to their level from the major Euro leagues
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:18 pm to kilo
quote:
Yep. Just look at MLB. That's a big red herring in the argument for promotion/relegation
Using the MLB or any other American sports league is comparing apples to oranges with MLS
Those are already the best leagues in the world so they can use what ever system they want too bc they know the players will come.
MLS is probably the 12th to 15th best league in the world. Kids around the world don't grow up wanting to lift the MLS Cup.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:21 pm to WarSlamEagle
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but it’s great for competition, especially in a country that is big enough to have a huge first division. Teams can’t just hang back and suck.
Yup and lower division teams would focus more on youth development as a path to the first division. Thus increasing the size of the American players talent pool and its quality.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
We shouldn’t want our best domestic players in MLS anyway
Some of y’all are too hung up on the USMNT... a league this young shouldn’t make being a factory for national teamers its top priority
It should try to be the best league it can be to grow the sport in the United States, which will always be behind soccer-first nations who have clubs and leagues that are 100-plus years old
Some of y’all are too hung up on the USMNT... a league this young shouldn’t make being a factory for national teamers its top priority
It should try to be the best league it can be to grow the sport in the United States, which will always be behind soccer-first nations who have clubs and leagues that are 100-plus years old
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:23 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:
We shouldn’t want our best domestic players in MLS anyway
Some of y’all are too hung up on the USMNT... a league this young shouldn’t make being a factory for national teamers its top priority
It should try to be the best league it can be to grow the sport in the United States, which will always be behind soccer-first nations who have clubs and leagues that are 100-plus years old
Well clearly, but most our kids can't even go to Europe until they are 18.
MLS and other American clubs should be producing enough talent to send to Europe and still keep domestic level of play good.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:24 pm to kilo
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MLS has raised the level of other Concacaaf nations while pulling US talent back to their level from the major Euro leagues
Overblown.
Some guys came back too soon (and it affected the WC qualifying cycle for sure), but the talent level of the United States pool is stronger than ever, judging by the young talent is has overseas.
MLS shouldn’t be an excuse for smaller CONCACAF nations getting better and beating the USMNT.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:25 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
MLS and other American clubs should be producing enough talent to send to Europe
And that’s not something that happens overnight. Pay to play needs to go away, but strides are being made there with the academies from the MLS teams that care.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:32 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Not necessarily.
eventually it will be too big and not enough players
quote:
Until pay to play is gone will will never see a huge jump in the size of quality American players.
Again, not necessarily true. However, when more MLS teams get financially stable enough to have their own academies (for free or cheap [looking at you, DC]), that will also help.
quote:Again, with more opportunities, you'll have more people trying to fill those positions.
yet with not enough good domestic players
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:33 pm to kilo
quote:I don't know anyone that would disagree with you.
It's a little weird people don't see this honestly.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:35 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Not necessarily.
where are they going to come from
MLS isn't a destination league
quote:
Again, not necessarily true. However, when more MLS teams get financially stable enough to have their own academies (for free or cheap [looking at you, DC]), that will also help.
28 or so MLS academies isn't enough to be remotely competitive in world football. When your competition has thousands of free ones that are not even part of the professional structure.
quote:
Again, with more opportunities, you'll have more people trying to fill those positions.
again not if you don't have the ability to produce the domestic players. Slots will be filled with lower quality players.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:36 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Most academies are still in the early stages. These things don't happen overnight.
MLS and other American clubs should be producing enough talent to send to Europe and still keep domestic level of play good.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:38 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Most academies are still in the early stages. These things don't happen overnight.
point is we need more than just MLS academies out there
When a club in the 2nd or 3rd tier knows they have a chance at the first division they will focus on youth development which will make the overall quality of American players better.
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