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re: Must read Suarez article/interview

Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by Bho
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:12 pm to
His passion while playing is undeniable. But he is a douche on the pitch. If he really learns from the coaches telling him he can help the team best by keeping his mouth shut, he can change people's perception. He has earned his place in soccer and he's earned his pitch reputation. Until he changes his behavior on the pitch, he will not change people's opinion.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:17 pm to
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"There are people who criticise me and that's normal because of the way I am on the pitch," he concedes. "I get angry, I get tense. My wife says that if people reach conclusions as to what I am like based on what they see from me on the pitch they would say I am a guy who is always annoyed, always in a bad mood, they'd say what must it be like to live with me. There are two of me, two different people."

See, this makes a lot of sense...I think Suarez is a tool, and his on-field actions show that. 'Pool fans can love him because he's a passionate goal scorer, but even he admits that he's not a shining role model on the field.

But that's all I can judge him on. I can't tell what he's like off the field. I know that he's a jerkwad on the field, plays for my club's big rival and he was involved in a bunch of crap with Evra.

I respect his honesty, though...at least he knows that people hate him and why.
This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Bho
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:20 pm to
Yeah, I don't know how he is off the pitch. My only interaction with him is through the tv, while he is on the pitch. If he came over for dinner, I might think he's awesome. As a player, I think he's a douche. Less douchey than Evra, but a douche nonetheless.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:23 pm to
I already said the point of the article isn't to change people's opinion of him.

The article humanizes him. I think that in our modern world of sport, most people forget that the players exist outside of the game. The game is all fans see, and Suarez just wants them to know that he is different when he isn't on the pitch.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:26 pm to
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The article humanizes him. I think that in our modern world of sport, most people forget that the players exist outside of the game. The game is all fans see, and Suarez just wants them to know that he is different when he isn't on the pitch.

Mission accomplished then, Luis. But I still will judge you by your on-field actions.

Love, WSE.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:29 pm to
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Mission accomplished then, Luis. But I still will judge you by your on-field actions.



That is the part that gets me. As someone who really doesn't hate any players (other than Charlie Adam), I feel sorry for players who remain under a dark cloud from fans. This resonates with me hard:

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The contradictions are many. Suárez feels misunderstood, but this is no sob-story – he does not excuse, nor blame. He says he does not care what people say about him, but it is hard to avoid the conclusion that, somewhere inside, he does. He recognises himself, even as he does not. He says he is changing, because at times he has done himself and his team no favours, but he is not trying to be anything else. That, after all, is what got him this far. Without that competitiveness, without that edge, he would not be sitting here.




This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 9:33 pm
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
I only HATE Suarez and Steven Lenhart. And they can just deal with it.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:31 pm to
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I feel sorry for players who remain under a dark cloud from fans.

They shouldn't worry about rival fans not liking you. Haters gonna hate.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:33 pm to
We get the privilege to sit on our couches and judge players who we only experience through a game. I'm glad I'm not in their shoes because I've done some pretty shitty stuff in meaningless intramurals that would cause half the world to hate me. He is now trying to change who he is because of us and , well, that sucks. (Same goes for any athlete BTW)
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:36 pm to
Suarez is not the first nor the last player to be a prick on the field. If he truly cared about his on the pitch reputation, he would change it. I certainly don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. What he and a lot of other athletes need to realize is that they are playing a GAME for a living. Have some fun out there.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:36 pm to
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He is now trying to change who he is because of us and , well, that sucks. (Same goes for any athlete BTW)

Well, if he didn't act like a tool in the first place, there wouldn't be any reason for everyone to hate him.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:39 pm to
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I'm glad I'm not in their shoes because I've done some pretty shitty stuff in meaningless intramurals that would cause half the world to hate me


Fans will tolerate a lot but repeated blatant diving/cheating is not one of them.

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He is now trying to change who he is because of us and , well, that sucks


If he didn't know deep down he was a flopping, diving, baiting cheat he wouldn't be trying to change. It's sad that it took millions of fans hating him for him to realize these things about himself. If he wanted to play this way he should have stayed in South America or gone to Spain.

Posted by Bho
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:39 pm to
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He is now trying to change who he is because of us and , well, that sucks.


Have you seen any sort of "change" in his behavior on the pitch this year? This is an honest question. I see the same ol' Suarez, running around and bitching at the ref. He doesn't need to change for me or any other spectator, but if he wants to change, great. Talk is cheap.

ETA:If I was a Pool fan, I would eat this article up as well. I'd be looking for any reason to try and sympathize with him. It's a good article, but people can say anything.
This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 9:42 pm
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:45 pm to
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Have you seen any sort of "change" in his behavior on the pitch this year?


Absolutely. I'm watching the West Brom match right now and he didn't go down once. He didn't go down much in the Olympics either.

You won't see him go down much like he did last year because the whole team isn't on his shoulders. He was trying to do way too much under Kenny because he was our only quality player.

Other fans really need to watch more of his matches.
This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:48 pm to
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Absolutely. I'm watching the West Brom match right now and he didn't go down once. He didn't go down much in the Olympics either.



See if you see the commentator asking who is refereeing the match, Suarez or the ref. The guy bitches endlessly. I really don't care about the diving, I think it's as over used as "troll". The endless crying and surrounding the ref bothers me.

ETA:There are far worse divers in the Prem. Again, I understand you like him, he's on your squad. Please don't act like he's changed on the pitch. That's just watching through Red tinted glasses.
This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 9:51 pm
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:50 pm to
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The guy bitches endlessly


Yep I agree. I don't like that either (you know that better than anyone else on this site). But I try to take it with a grain of salt since I know how I have dealt with referees in my own sporting experiences.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 9:57 pm to
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But I try to take it with a grain of salt since I know how I have dealt with referees in my own sporting experiences.


I always feel that if he spent as much energy working hard on the pitch and less energy crying to refs, he would be a much better player. I know a lot of people think his handball in the WC was a disgrace to the game. I don't care about that either. He gave his team the chance to win. For that, I commend him.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:02 pm to
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I always feel that if he spent as much energy working hard on the pitch and less energy crying to refs, he would be a much better player.


I agree and wish he would. His passion takes a hold of him and he hasn't been able to channel it yet. He gets into the game too much and his emotions take over.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23704 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:26 pm to
Love him for his play on the pitch... Everything I want in a player. Don't think he dives either... I do think he is overly dramatic about it and hopefully tht will be curbed in time, but it seems to be a part of the south American culture...
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7105 posts
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:56 pm to
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Don't think he dives either


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