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Let's talk Clint Dempsey
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:09 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:09 am
So I'm just watching the game and Clint showed his arse being subbed off. I have 3 questions.
1) Does he think Bruce is trying to protect Landon's record and is pissed about that?
2) Does that rift between him and Bruce cost him a start in Azteca?
3) Does this start the end of his USMNT career?
I hated Clint when I first started watching the USMNT around 09-10. He would flop and complain and not help out defensively at all. But that changed quick when he had the great season at Fulham and I realized how much he could impact a game. And knowing him he will put 2 in against Mexico but there definitely seems to be a rift between him and Arena.
Or is that situation being overblown?
P.S. - He wasn't happy when Pulisic scored the first goal instead of him.
1) Does he think Bruce is trying to protect Landon's record and is pissed about that?
2) Does that rift between him and Bruce cost him a start in Azteca?
3) Does this start the end of his USMNT career?
I hated Clint when I first started watching the USMNT around 09-10. He would flop and complain and not help out defensively at all. But that changed quick when he had the great season at Fulham and I realized how much he could impact a game. And knowing him he will put 2 in against Mexico but there definitely seems to be a rift between him and Arena.
Or is that situation being overblown?
P.S. - He wasn't happy when Pulisic scored the first goal instead of him.
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:28 am to HottyToddy7
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1) Does he think Bruce is trying to protect Landon's record and is pissed about that?
Bruce doesn't call him up if this were the case.
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2) Does that rift between him and Bruce cost him a start in Azteca?
I don't think the plan was for him to start that match regardless. He's 34 years old and recovering from a heart problem. Starting two matches in four days in high altitude seems not ideal. If anything, I think the fact that he got pulled early makes it more likely that he can be something other than a 10-minute sub late v. Mexico. But as I said in an other thread, Deuce has always been shite against Mexico.
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3) Does this start the end of his USMNT career?
He's going to be a part of the plans through this cycle, whether he ultimately makes the World Cup or not, and then that will be it for him, so no, the end of his USMNT career has already been started.
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definitely seems to be a rift between him and Arena.
Deuce respects the shite out of Bruce. He's the man who took a chance on him back in 2004 and brought him to the 2006 World Cup. Don't think that all went away because of an argument.
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Or is that situation being overblown?
Yes.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:39 am to HottyToddy7
He didn't want to be subbed. It happens all the time. That's the way some guys are wired. He and Arena are fine.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:47 am to Broski
I guess what I'm trying to ask is that with Pulisic being first on the team sheet in a role Dempsey has played in the past, Jozy being healthy and in form and Wood that brings to the table more that just being a poacher, is Dempsey going to struggle getting into the staring 11 on a regular basis.
Or is he still going to be a fixture through the rest of the hex?
Also, would he be ok with going to Russia as a "super sub" when we needed a goal with the understanding he more than likely wouldn't get a start?
Or is he still going to be a fixture through the rest of the hex?
Also, would he be ok with going to Russia as a "super sub" when we needed a goal with the understanding he more than likely wouldn't get a start?
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 2:48 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:01 am to HottyToddy7
I feel like Dempsey will continue to be a main player throughout the hex.
Now come time for Russia, if we qualify for God's sake, I think he is professional enough to understand he would essentially be the Wondo of the team, but hopefully useful for the team's sake.
I mean he should know first hand if he is in the role of super sub forward that he is only one Jozy hamstring pull away from being a starter.
Now come time for Russia, if we qualify for God's sake, I think he is professional enough to understand he would essentially be the Wondo of the team, but hopefully useful for the team's sake.
I mean he should know first hand if he is in the role of super sub forward that he is only one Jozy hamstring pull away from being a starter.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:09 am to HottyToddy7
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1) Does he think Bruce is trying to protect Landon's record and is pissed about that?
No. He just wants the record and wants Bruce to put what's best for Clint over what's best for the team.
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2) Does that rift between him and Bruce cost him a start in Azteca?
Hopefully not. Hopefully it's his play in the last 2 games that costs him the start. I'd rather we play a 4-2-3-1 with Acosta starting alongside Bradley and Altidore up top. With Dempsey coming of the bench in the 70somthingth minute.
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3) Does this start the end of his USMNT career?
The end of his USMNT career started a while ago. He's 34 years old, and he knows as well as anybody that his days are numbered. That's probably why he was pissed with Bruce. He wants to get this goalscoring record shite over with so he can clear his head and focus on making the WC squad. But the team is more important than him, so I'd be 100% okay with benching his arse for Mexico. He's been not good in these 2 games.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:19 am to HottyToddy7
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I guess what I'm trying to ask is that with Pulisic being first on the team sheet in a role Dempsey has played in the past, Jozy being healthy and in form and Wood that brings to the table more that just being a poacher, is Dempsey going to struggle getting into the staring 11 on a regular basis.
Pulisic has no impact whatsoever on Dempsey's position. Dempsey is either going to play as one piece in a 2 man strike partnership (probably with Jozy) or as a super sub striker with 20 minutes left in the game.
Pulisic is much more versatile. It seems that Arena prefers him in the #10 creative attacking midfield role that will track back to defend when possible, and he can also play as a wide midfielder that can play box to box. He's young and has the legs/lungs to play any one of those roles. 34 year old Deuce is gonna stay up top no matter what.
As for Dempsey struggling to get into the starting 11, I think he will if they go with 1 striker because Jozy is just better than him, but I think he's a more reliable goalscorer than Wood or Morris so His role as a sub or second striker won't be in jeopardy until those guys decide to start playing well.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 7:56 am to HottyToddy7
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And knowing him he will put 2 in against Mexico
He hasn't done that before.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:03 am to The_Joker
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but I think he's a more reliable goalscorer than Wood or Morris so His role as a sub or second striker won't be in jeopardy until those guys decide to start playing well.
We are a better team with Wood on the field than Dempsey.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:12 am to HottyToddy7
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Or is that situation being overblown?
insanely overblown. It's literally a nothing story.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:06 am to Crede15
He's a competitor.
We need him more against Mexico than T&T.
Tactical adjustment.
We need him more against Mexico than T&T.
Tactical adjustment.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:19 am to WhoDatNC
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He's a competitor.
We need him more against Mexico than T&T.
Tactical adjustment.
We needed him to give a frick last night. That was a much more important game than the one in Mexico.
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:23 am to pvilleguru
I think it's pretty clear at this point that he cares more about breaking the record than he cares about the team.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:31 am to pvilleguru
I find that to be a very hot take lol
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:34 am to HottyToddy7
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P.S. - He wasn't happy when Pulisic scored the first goal instead of him.
Funny thing about that, I don't think Dempsey gets to the ball to put it into the net. His run was late, Pulisic's wasn't.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:35 am to McCaigBro69
First take hot takes over hot cakes with Landycakes.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:36 am to Fratastic423
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Funny thing about that, I don't think Dempsey gets to the ball to put it into the net. His run was late, Pulisic's wasn't.
Yeah. He wasn't getting to the ball and he still pouted about it.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:41 am to pvilleguru
Sit Dempsey against Mexico for the greater good (the greater good). Let him score his 2 precious goals in the Gold Cup.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 9:57 am to pvilleguru
Second everything you've said in this thread.
Dempsey just isn't good enough to be in the 11 anymore, and he will be a liability against a team like Mexico.
Dempsey just isn't good enough to be in the 11 anymore, and he will be a liability against a team like Mexico.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 10:13 am to pvilleguru
We do this every six months it seems. Deuce scores a handful of goals and HES BACK. He disappears in a game and we should toss him aside. Look he's a frustrating player at times. But he's still our most clinical finisher and has a knack for being in the right place at the right time to get on the end of creativity from guys like Pulisic and Nagbe. Do I want to be counting on him as a member of the starting XI? No. But until someone proves that they can replace his goal scoring then we are going to use him.
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