re: Ives is hearing Klinsmann is the guy

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Interesting stat

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misleading stat


And we don't know whether JK will do better than Bob, but with the nature of national teams it's going to be hard to make that call unless he does a lot better or a lot worse.
What we at least kind of know is that Bob seemed to have hit a bit of a wall. Nobody we can hire would be a sure thing. It would be pretty shitty to start off the JK era with the attitude that he's going to be a disappointment, no better than Bob, nothing without Loew, etc.

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GrantWahl Grant Wahl
US Soccer prez Gulati postponed trip to Rio for WC draw. Still in California w/gen sec Dan Flynn. Klinsmann lives in Cali.

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Low was an important part of that staff with the Germans, and his subsequent success at that level seems to lend credence to the theory that he was behind Klinsmann's success in 2006.

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How would you rate Germany's talent level in 06 vs 10?

Speak up HH

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Lippi would be incredible. As would Scolari. Klinsmann's stint at Bayern just worries me. He did a great job with a German team that was truly in transition in 2006, but his relative failure at Bayern is hard to ignore. Not only that, but Joachim Low was an important part of that staff with the Germans, and his subsequent success at that level seems to lend credence to the theory that he was behind Klinsmann's success in 2006.

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Let's not also forget that Germany also went into the 2006 World Cup looking pretty bad in their previous games, IIRC. They really did play well, but they were playing at home.

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Klinsmann's stint at Bayern just worries me. He did a great job with a German team that was truly in transition in 2006, but his relative failure at Bayern is hard to ignore. Not only that, but Joachim Low was an important part of that staff with the Germans, and his subsequent success at that level seems to lend credence to the theory that he was behind Klinsmann's success in 2006.

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Yeah, but he's gone on to other successes since then.

:crickets:

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Jogi has taken that brand to astronomical heights while in charge

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I'm not commenting on Low, but I don't have to tell you some of those players are awesome. He has to bring them all together, but still, he's got some great material to work with.

If JK can do a good job mixing youth and experience and just improve a bit on BB's gameday coaching, I'll be happy with him. Nobody we hire is going to do spectacularly, b/c we just don't have the players.

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Let's not also forget that Germany also went into the 2006 World Cup looking pretty bad in their previous games, IIRC.

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That was why the Germans had low expectations for the cup. Klinsmann exceeded those expectations, so was looked upon favorably.

The reality was that Germany had lots of young players and it was very difficult to predict how they would do. Schweinsteiger and Lahm did extremely well. But at that point they had 20 plus caps, along with Mertesacker. Most of the young players that went to the WC with Germany had plenty of caps before then, the biggest exception being Odonkor.

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That was why the Germans had low expectations for the cup. Klinsmann exceeded those expectations, so was looked upon favorably.

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That's actually what I was referring to.

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GrantWahl Grant Wahl
US Soccer insider: "You're not going to be surprised" by identity of new coach.

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Welcome aboard, Jurgen.

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That was why the Germans had low expectations for the cup. Klinsmann exceeded those expectations, so was looked upon favorably.



That's actually what I was referring to.

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I should have finished my point, which is that pre-WC form is a terrible indicator of success at the WC. It would have been literally unthinkable for Germany not to progress past the group stage. And to be honest, the Germans changed some things in their youth system at the end of the 90's, and by 2006, were reaping the rewards. Klinsmann gets credit for introducing youth, but it goes much deeper than that. This article points out the youth movement started much earlier in Germany, and 2006 was the moment it started reaping benefits. LINK

The German media probably overreacted to Germany's pre-WC form, which was exceeded by the German team not without some effort, and which made Klinsmann into something of a hero by the same media.