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re: I'm switching my allegiance in club soccer...
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:32 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:32 pm to Stewie Griffin
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And the club certainly does not choose you. That's romanticized and literally impossible
Of course "literally" its impossible, but come on man. Are you really so void of passion for a team that you can't agree that this statement is possible?
I never set out to like Liverpool. In fact I really didn't want to be a fan of them because when I started watching soccer everyone was about United/Chelsea/Arsenal and I wanted to be able to root for the same teams my friends did. But after watching their fans, hearing what their players said about how special a place it is to them, and seeing this club play with more heart in so many games than any professional team I've ever watched, I think its safe to say they dragged me kicking and screaming into fandom. They picked me, not the other way around. I'm certain of it
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Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:36 pm to GeauxColonels
Found your team.
Welcome.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:51 pm to Stewie Griffin
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And the club certainly does not choose you. That's romanticized and literally impossible
what does this mean or better yet, what's the point of pointing this out? I obviously didn't hear voices and then clear out my corn field to build Liverpool a field, but I didn't set out to become a Liverpool fan. Much like Bleed, I saw a few events and fan reactions that just sold me.
Even when I tried to open my mind and look at other teams, Liverpool was really the only one I cared about, so to me it certainly feels like I was chosen as opposed to the other way around.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 2:11 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Germany: Jermaine Jones looks on the out at Schalke, so you have Cherundolo at Hannover, Daniel Williams at Freiburg, and Rico Clark at Frankfurt, as well as Michael Bradley at 'Gladbach. Germany's dominant side, Munich, is the biggest club but for some reason seems supportable to me. Borussia Dortmund is worth a follow as well; a lot of history and on fire this year with great young talent, especially Shinji Kagawa.
Borussia Dortmund is st st st st stacked with young talent man. It's scary.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 2:21 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 1/3/11 at 2:56 pm to Leauxgan
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:07 pm to Leauxgan
Cute picture, but you as well as I know Pool doesn't deserve to be up there. Not now at least. The club is in the tank. Does a 9th place team "win most matches?" If we win all the time why aren't we still in the top 4? If we win all the time why haven't we taken the title in 20 years running?
That's like saying kids who decide right now that they want to be Notre Dame fans are bandwagon because the team wins "all the time." Does that make much sense?
That's like saying kids who decide right now that they want to be Notre Dame fans are bandwagon because the team wins "all the time." Does that make much sense?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:16 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Does a 9th place team "win most matches?" If we win all the time why aren't we still in the top 4?
To my memory you didn't start following them this season.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:17 pm to Leauxgan
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To my memory you didn't start following them this season.
well unless he started in 89-90...
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:20 pm to LfcSU3520
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well unless he started in 89-90...
Liverpool has had a great win percentage in most competitions in the last decade, the time span I assume 80 percent of this board began seriously watching european competition, also about the same time the 'big 4' mantle came into currency.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:22 pm to Leauxgan
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To my memory you didn't start following them this season.
That's correct but my point was if this guy wants to start following them now it wouldn't be the same as deciding to follow Arsenal/Chelsea/United. The differences between those three and Liverpool is that each has a legitimate shot to win the title every year now and each has won the title in recent memory. Liverpool unfortunately has ceased to be a top 4 team and has ceased to be in the same league as those guys. That was my point.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:25 pm to Leauxgan
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Liverpool has had a great win percentage in most competitions in the last decade, the time span I assume 80 percent of this board began seriously watching european competition, also about the same time the 'big 4' mantle came into currency.
You're right but living in the past can go both ways. Sure we can claim our history but as so many of you point out that "Alabam fan" syndrome means jack right now because its nowhere near the condition the club is in currently. At the same time, don't group us in the elite EPL teams if you want to bash us for living in the past. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:26 pm to BleedPurpleGold
When did you start following 'Pool? And historically 'Pool most definitely deserves to be top four. Chelsea is the newcomer to the list. Even then, they have been a top five side for a majority of the Premier League's existence. Same with 'Pool, whose average finishing position is fourth since the PL began.
Numerous reasons. Daglish leaving among them. But lets not pretend 'Pool has been languishing in the relegation zone for twenty years. It's been two years since you guys put out one of the best sides in the PL, and lost the championship only because you had too many draws. That's not to mention all your European success.
The last season 'Pool finished outside the top ten was the 52-53 season. Their performance this season is an outlier, considering this whole PL season looks to be an outlier.
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If we win all the time why haven't we taken the title in 20 years running?
Numerous reasons. Daglish leaving among them. But lets not pretend 'Pool has been languishing in the relegation zone for twenty years. It's been two years since you guys put out one of the best sides in the PL, and lost the championship only because you had too many draws. That's not to mention all your European success.
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That's like saying kids who decide right now that they want to be Notre Dame fans are bandwagon because the team wins "all the time." Does that make much sense?
The last season 'Pool finished outside the top ten was the 52-53 season. Their performance this season is an outlier, considering this whole PL season looks to be an outlier.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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When did you start following 'Pool? And historically 'Pool most definitely deserves to be top four. Chelsea is the newcomer to the list. Even then, they have been a top five side for a majority of the Premier League's existence. Same with 'Pool, whose average finishing position is fourth since the PL began.
I started in 2000. Like I said in the post above historically we are most certainly in the top 4. But then if I would ever bring that up I'd get bashed for living in the past. So at the same time don't say we're in the top four when it suits you're argument. We either are because we are historically or we aren't because we're a side playing like crap.
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It's been two years since you guys put out one of the best sides in the PL, and lost the championship only because you had too many draws. That's not to mention all your European success.
Again, correct. But this isn't the team right now. Right now we are not that side and right now we are not in the top 4. Nor will we be anytime soon. Which is why we can't be placed with the "bandwagon" teams when someone is looking for a new club.
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The last season 'Pool finished outside the top ten was the 52-53 season. Their performance this season is an outlier, considering this whole PL season looks to be an outlier.
It is an anomaly. But lets look at the writing on the wall. The likelihood we finish in the top 5 this year, and possibly next year is slim to none. We're drowning. Badly.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:37 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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You're right but living in the past can go both ways. Sure we can claim our history but as so many of you point out that "Alabam fan" syndrome means jack right now because its nowhere near the condition the club is in currently. At the same time, don't group us in the elite EPL teams if you want to bash us for living in the past. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
this is a great point, we're attacked on both ends. Pick one and stick with it.
The 'Alabama fan' comparison is dumb to begin with. It's as if teams with successful histories are to be punished for just that. What I know of Liverpool's history is what I've learned of it. I didn't get to experience it, but a lot of the fun I've had in supporting Liverpool has been in learning the history.
Hell it's probably part of the reason most of us became European soccer fans in the first place. Knowing that there's such a history behind everything, and how much of that comes out in the fan support is intoxicating at first, or at least it was for me.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:37 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I think Leauxgan was being more critical of your "club picked me" experience than anyone trying to pick a club at this exact moment in time.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:40 pm to LfcSU3520
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this is a great point, we're attacked on both ends. Pick one and stick with it.
Well you yourself listed both ends as reasons to cheer for Liverpool in your original post so I don't see why both can't be attacked.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:44 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I don't understand why any of this is attackable? Mainly because I didn't say anything that isn't true.
It might not be a reason for you to support a team, but that's your choice. I didn't write that for argument's sake, I just wrote it to inform him. If he wants to disregard it as shite, then more power to him.
It might not be a reason for you to support a team, but that's your choice. I didn't write that for argument's sake, I just wrote it to inform him. If he wants to disregard it as shite, then more power to him.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:44 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I'd offer you seat on the Pool bus, but the bandwagon is full
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:46 pm to Tennessee Jed
shite i'd support them just because of Holloway.
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