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re: I'm switching my allegiance in club soccer...
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:46 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:46 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Tennessee Jed
The only true case of the club picking someone.
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Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:49 pm to Tennessee Jed
Tennessee Jed, Captain, Hero, Legend
This board's John Terry
This board's John Terry
Posted on 1/3/11 at 3:53 pm to thenry712
Some of the Chelski fans may take offense to that
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:01 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Just based on finishing position in the PL, you're top four. According to my quick calculations, 'Pool's average finishing position is only behind Man U and Arsenal in the Premier League era.
Slightly hyperbolic. 'Pool is closer than most. A couple of solid players, a playmaker, a left back, a CB, and a true winger, and 'Pool will be back. Even then, 'Pool under the right coach could be competitive for Europe right now. Hodgson isn't the right guy, but once the right coach is in place it should happen fairly quickly.
This is where I disagree. I'd argue that Liverpool's international brand is only behind Man U. Arsenal was mostly a North London club, and have struggled to market the club outside of their area, hence why we hired Tom Fox. Chelsea has done a better job but don't possess the history. In terms of exposure, 'Pool gets quite a bit, which is the key in attracting new fans.
I generally think the bandwagon terminology used as an invective is asinine, especially as it relates to American fans (or even non-English fans), precisely because of the effort and expense required to become a fan. This argument isn't broadened to other European sports, or to indict European fans of American sports. I suppose the real argument (from non-soccer fans) is that fandom of soccer in America is a pretense for some sort of superiority, which for the most part it is not. Nonetheless, these teams actively market for American fans, and the teams that do it the best are the teams that have the most money, which is usually the top four.
The 'bandwagon' appellation seems to be popular on this forum, but I suspect those who use it the most haven't carefully thought through what it actually means in this context.
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Right now we are not that side and right now we are not in the top 4. Nor will we be anytime soon.
Slightly hyperbolic. 'Pool is closer than most. A couple of solid players, a playmaker, a left back, a CB, and a true winger, and 'Pool will be back. Even then, 'Pool under the right coach could be competitive for Europe right now. Hodgson isn't the right guy, but once the right coach is in place it should happen fairly quickly.
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Which is why we can't be placed with the "bandwagon" teams when someone is looking for a new club.
This is where I disagree. I'd argue that Liverpool's international brand is only behind Man U. Arsenal was mostly a North London club, and have struggled to market the club outside of their area, hence why we hired Tom Fox. Chelsea has done a better job but don't possess the history. In terms of exposure, 'Pool gets quite a bit, which is the key in attracting new fans.
I generally think the bandwagon terminology used as an invective is asinine, especially as it relates to American fans (or even non-English fans), precisely because of the effort and expense required to become a fan. This argument isn't broadened to other European sports, or to indict European fans of American sports. I suppose the real argument (from non-soccer fans) is that fandom of soccer in America is a pretense for some sort of superiority, which for the most part it is not. Nonetheless, these teams actively market for American fans, and the teams that do it the best are the teams that have the most money, which is usually the top four.
The 'bandwagon' appellation seems to be popular on this forum, but I suspect those who use it the most haven't carefully thought through what it actually means in this context.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:07 pm to crazy4lsu
Bandwagon is overused in all sports. It annoys the shite out of me.
If you didn't really start to support the Saints til last year, who cares? They started playing really good football, became fun to watch, and that's all that matters to a lot of people.
Most people don't want to have dreary Sunday mornings watching a bottom table team slog along, or sunday afternoons watching their NFL team get whomped. I'd say 80-90% of most sports fans are 'bandwagon' anyways in that sense.
If you didn't really start to support the Saints til last year, who cares? They started playing really good football, became fun to watch, and that's all that matters to a lot of people.
Most people don't want to have dreary Sunday mornings watching a bottom table team slog along, or sunday afternoons watching their NFL team get whomped. I'd say 80-90% of most sports fans are 'bandwagon' anyways in that sense.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:12 pm to LfcSU3520
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Bandwagon is overused in all sports. It annoys the shite out of me.
It's usually used as a method of gaining credibility in a discussion in terms of the message board vernacular. It's fairly stupid, but good luck having an honest discussion about its use. It might be applicable to people who follow sports superficially (i.e. women). Other than that I don't think it really applies.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:17 pm to crazy4lsu
frick you guys, I've been a Borussia Dortmund fan for life.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:25 pm to hendersonshands
I'd take a lot of their young players. Kagawa, Surin, Gotze, Hummels, Subotic, maybe even Lewandowski and the Bender brothers (one plays for Bayer.)
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:44 pm to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
Borussia Mönchengladbach
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4. agreed
5. check it out, very rich. i won't go into details sence you seem to enjoy your own research.
no worries here
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Michael Bradley
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And here's why...
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5. check it out, very rich. i won't go into details sence you seem to enjoy your own research.
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it's not rewarding to follow a club that is so damned good
no worries here
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Michael Bradley
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:45 pm to crazy4lsu
hey now. i resent that 
Posted on 1/3/11 at 4:48 pm to mrsmiller
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hey now. i resent that
Exception that proves the rule.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 5:50 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Are you really so void of passion for a team that you can't agree that this statement is possible?
I'm not passionate about any club soccer team, no. I enjoy watching and pick teams to follow and support, but I don't live and die by them.
I could understand maybe along the lines of why I'm a Saints fan. If I weren't born in Baton Rouge, I may not be a Saints fan, but even then I certainly picked them. I could have just as easily liked the 49ers or something.
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I think its safe to say they dragged me kicking and screaming into fandom. They picked me, not the other way around. I'm certain of it
Again, that's a beautiful sentiment, but you still chose to like Liverpool. I've been wowed by Barcelona since I got into club football a few years ago, but I chose not to follow them. You could have made the same choice to not follow Liverpool. If you couldn't have, you need to check your whole spiritual view on free will and stuff. I recommend Leauxgan, he's quite the philosopher.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 5:53 pm to LfcSU3520
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what does this mean or better yet, what's the point of pointing this out? I obviously didn't hear voices and then clear out my corn field to build Liverpool a field, but I didn't set out to become a Liverpool fan. Much like Bleed, I saw a few events and fan reactions that just sold me.
Even when I tried to open my mind and look at other teams, Liverpool was really the only one I cared about, so to me it certainly feels like I was chosen as opposed to the other way around.
Again, no.
It means that you chose to like Liverpool. Literally. You may have enjoyed watching them play and whatnot, but you chose them. If it was b/c of their rabid fanbase, that was the basis for your selection.
If you're trying to make some romantic point, fine, I guess, but it just sounds silly to me.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 5:58 pm to crazy4lsu
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Just based on finishing position in the PL, you're top four. According to my quick calculations, 'Pool's average finishing position is only behind Man U and Arsenal in the Premier League era.
What I'm trying to say is "premier league era" shouldn't have anything to do with it, or should have everything to do with it. We get hit from both sides in regard to our history.
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Slightly hyperbolic. 'Pool is closer than most. A couple of solid players, a playmaker, a left back, a CB, and a true winger, and 'Pool will be back. Even then, 'Pool under the right coach could be competitive for Europe right now. Hodgson isn't the right guy, but once the right coach is in place it should happen fairly quickly.
I can see this but I just think that will take longer than most think. I don't think we're on the cusp.
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This is where I disagree. I'd argue that Liverpool's international brand is only behind Man U. Arsenal was mostly a North London club, and have struggled to market the club outside of their area, hence why we hired Tom Fox. Chelsea has done a better job but don't possess the history. In terms of exposure, 'Pool gets quite a bit, which is the key in attracting new fans.
Agree to disagree. I see and hear more about Arsenal Chelsea United than Liverpool everywhere I go. In my circle of soccer friends Fulham is a huge draw also. Maybe it's just that my experience isn't the majorities experience but All four of these teams seem to have a greater following to me. To an extent even Newcastle now that they're back up is becoming a huge foreign fan favorite.
I'd like to clear up that I think the bandwagon thing is ridiculous also. But for those who don't want to associate with a team that has that label, I do my best to convince them to try and choose a team based on things other than some internet idiots idea of the bandwagon team. These things include fan's loyalty and devotion, a club's history, and how that club makes you feel when you watch them. I was getting at all of these points originally.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:00 pm to Stewie Griffin
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If you're trying to make some romantic point, fine, I guess, but it just sounds silly to me.
bro quit being obtuse. Obviously it's just a phrase, but it's one that's pretty apt as far as I'm concerned.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:02 pm to Stewie Griffin
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If you're trying to make some romantic point, fine, I guess, but it just sounds silly to me.
I think its the difference between how people support sports teams. I refuse to support a team unless I'm in it all or nothing. That's just who I am. Because of this my natural instinct is to think everyone is the same way. I see your point now that its possible to just choose to like them. But that's not the way I view sports so I just have a different take on it.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:05 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I think its the difference between how people support sports teams. I refuse to support a team unless I'm in it all or nothing. That's just who I am. Because of this my natural instinct is to think everyone is the same way. I see your point now that its possible to just choose to like them
I am exactly the same way. My favorite sports teams are spread out all over the map and there's no rhyme or reason to any of them. They all just hit me and I became a fan for life.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:09 pm to LfcSU3520
I'll concede that. I'm the opposite. I like watching lots of teams and really only support players. I'm about the individuals in the game, not the team. I generally find a team to pull for to make it interesting if there's nothing on the line, but I will never live or die by a team. That must be the journalist in me.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:09 pm to LfcSU3520
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bro quit being obtuse. Obviously it's just a phrase, but it's one that's pretty apt as far as I'm concerned.
Still silly.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 6:11 pm to Stewie Griffin
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That must be the journalist in me.
that makes sense. I need favorites and enemies, I want to know the inner workings of my favorite teams and follow their stupid gossip.
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