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re: How the hell can we be good at basically all other sports

Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:50 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:50 pm to
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I think the odds are pretty good that we'd find 11 that can compete on the global level.




That's a hell of a thing to leave up to the odds.

What I'm saying is that we consistently do a terrible job with the athletes we do have, and there is no reason to think that we would do better just because a player is stronger or faster than the players we have currently. We should do better regardless of the players we do have.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:51 pm to
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If you want this team to be as good as the other nations you need to kiss football, basketball, baseball and hockey goodbye. You have generations of youth world wide that want to be the next Ronaldo, Messi, Zidane, Neymar etc. Kids here want to be the next LeBron, Steph, Durant, Julio etc. It is what it is.


ICELAND IS THE SIZE OF ST. LOUIS AND STILL MADE IT TO THE WORLD CUP

SOCCER DOESN'T NEED TO BE OUR NATION'S NO. 1 SPORT FOR IT TO WORK

WE HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE, WE JUST HAVE TO TRAIN THE RIGHT ONES CORRECTLY

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Posted by BleedPurpleGold
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:53 pm to
Its a lost cause. Lets just train Sergio Aguero in the shot put.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:56 pm to
Got it
Posted by jrtplaya21
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:56 pm to
If you want to win at the highest level uhhhhh yes it does. If you think the USA is going to win a World Cup in your lifetime by being our 4th most popular sport more power to you
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:01 am to
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If you want to win at the highest level uhhhhh yes it does. If you think the USA is going to win a World Cup in your lifetime by being our 4th most popular sport more power to you


You literally ignored every single word of his point.

Actually, you ignored 90% of the posts in this thread.

Will we win every Ryder Cup for the rest of time if we give up football, basketball, and baseball? Will we win every Wimbledon? Every (insert whatever is the pinnacle of international chess competition)?
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:07 am to
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So there’s basically no way poor kids can play. Which is basically the majority of the list I just posted up there.


I would guess that socio-economic group plays a much, much, much larger role than "athleticism" if one were to study the kids that become world class in the better footballing nations.

I agree that first and foremost, the US does not train the players it already has playing from a young age anywhere near the way the top nations do. That has to change first or nothing else matters.

After that, a lot more skinny 5' 7" kids from poor backgrounds going into those training centers would help just as much as, if not more than, super athletes.




Posted by TexHoss
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:11 am to
Because it's a completely different skill that we do not focus on at all. By the way, we regularly lose at basketball and baseball (not a sport). Football is all we regularly play but most of those players (yes, I know OBJ was a possible US youth soccer player) do not have the technical abilities to compete because they don't focus on soccer. Good Lord this is such a tired and dumbass argument.
Posted by okietiger
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:20 am to
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After that, a lot more skinny 5' 7" kids from poor backgrounds going into those training centers would help just as much as, if not more than, super athletes.


This is intriguing. Grab the undersized kids who ain’t going to cut it in football and basketball and train em up.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:22 am to
They aren't even necessarily undersized as far as soccer goes. On the smaller end, yes, but they can be perfectly fine players.

Again, we have a whole untapped market of men who are never going to be football or basketball players. There is literally no competition for them. We should try to exploit it, but I've been repeating this same argument for the last decade.
Posted by okietiger
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:22 am to
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we regularly lose at basketball


Wait, wut?

And yes, we do lose at baseball. However we have multiple A+ talent sitting out of the WBC. Also if you think that the players are going HAM in the WBC as say an Italian World Cup team is you’re crazy. It’d be close vs a Dominican or Venezualan team but our maxed out A+ team bests their’s in my opinion.

Not to derail the topic.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 12:25 am
Posted by okietiger
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Member since Oct 2005
42463 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:24 am to
Don’t you think it will take a highly visible American athlete making it from the inner city to become an elite global player?

I’m talking Chris Paul Jr. chooses soccer over basketball. And then makes millions upon millions on the world stage. The inner city will take notice.

Course maybe a player can’t grow to that level of soccer having played basketball into their late teens, I dunno.
Posted by TexHoss
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:27 am to
So at what age are they asked to play a completely different sport? This is such a ridiculous suggestion. I really don't mean it personally, but LeBron is a basketball player; Auston Mathews a hockey player; Tom Brady, football. Athleticism does not automatically transfer to another sport/soccer (Tim Tebow sucks at baseball-it's not even a sport).
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:30 am to
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Don’t you think it will take a highly visible American athlete making it from the inner city to become an elite global player?

I’m talking Chris Paul Jr. chooses soccer over basketball. And then makes millions upon millions on the world stage. The inner city will take notice.



Noticing wouldn't be enough. You would need 50 to make it, and have training centers for kids to go to that are nearby and that do not require payment. Again, you guys are looking at this as though you don't need a massive organizational effort. We have enough evidence to say that without the organizational framework, who notices and what they do is irrelevant.

quote:

Course maybe a player can’t grow to that level of soccer having played basketball into their late teens, I dunno.



The latest you can start is maybe seven. You have to have these skills from a super young age. You can tell who has a chance of going pro by 13 or so.
Posted by TexHoss
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:31 am to
Didn't mean to initiate a derail. Sorry! Should be a constructive conversation.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:33 am to
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This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 4:22 pm
Posted by okietiger
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Member since Oct 2005
42463 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:35 am to
Yikes.

Is there any chance USA will blow everything up and try to do it right with this embarassment? Or are we going to continue to do the same asanine things that got us here?
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
42463 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:37 am to
Man I’m still new to soccer and trying to understand wtf just happened and how it happened when I routinely see a majority of the world’s most athletic players coming out of America in various sports.

Soccer is apparently a unique beast tho.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:39 am to
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If you think the USA is going to win a World Cup in your lifetime by being our 4th most popular sport more power to you

There isn't an ounce of evidence that supports that this couldn't happen.

The United States is such an outlier when it comes to population and investment in sports that it can become a soccer powerhouse without it being the national sport.

The best athletes don't have to play soccer. The right athletes just have to be trained the right way from the very beginning.

But, hell, you're not going to absorb this anyway, so why am I still typing?
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 12:40 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 12:43 am to
The pay to play thing has to end. We are inching towards the right direction, but I fear we have too much English influence and not enough continental influence.

The best we can hope for is that some state or city has a dedicated soccer program, as it would be easier to organize at that level. We've seen many countries produce players from a small population, so we know you do not need a large population. I honestly believe that if a city the size of Corpus Christi or so decided to, they could become the center of soccer in this country by following the Icelandic model. LINK

quote:

We have about seven full-sized indoor football halls, and about 20 to 25 artificial pitches, and about 150 mini-pitches. This means we can play football all year round.


Some forward thinking billionaire might be able to do it, but I think the USSF and the clubs around the country are too obsessed with making their own money.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 12:45 am
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