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How Jogi Low got it wrong and how I think it'll be fixed

Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:16 am
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:16 am
I. How was Germany set up?

Back 4 with Plattenhardt on the left, Hummels and Boateng in the middle, and Kimmich on the right.

Midfield 2 with Kroos and Khedira

4 attacking players with Werner at the top, Muller and Draxler as inverted wingers, and Ozil at 10.

II. What did it look like on the attack?

Plattenhardt played pretty reserved. He got forward in to the attack sometimes, but spent a lot of his time tracking back on one of the two high wingers Mexico kept.

Kimmich spent most of the game as a winger. This wasn't just him improvising. Thomas Muller is not a typical winger. He doesn't create width or much depth, he likes to drift inside and play as a support striker. Kimmich's job was to provide that width. We'll discuss how Mexico used that to its advantage a little later.

Boateng played a lot of the game as a defensive midfielder. He's a great passer so he wasn't out of his element here. Hummels is not the quickest player anymore so he struggled with the responsibility more than Boa did IMO.

Kroos played higher than we've seen him play in a while. He picked up the ball pretty deep but he drove forward on nearly every possession. He's a great player, makes perfect decisions most of the time, BUT...

Khedira was doing God knows what. I think he was supposed to play as a 6 but he thought he was an 8. He used to be known for being an athletic specimen who could make a 40 yard run into the box and then work back and provide cover. There were a couple of problems here - a.) Kroos was also pushing into the attack. b.) Khedira has old legs and can't recover quickly anymore.

As I previously mentioned, Muller likes to drift inside. The problem is that Draxler was doing the same, and Ozil was often dropping deeper to get touches on the ball. This created a logjam in the center of the field and took away what makes Werner so good, his movement into space and speed to get behind defenders. There was absolutely no room.

(Leroy Sane would have been a really good sub in this game to spread Mexico's defense a bit. You may remember how many chances Brandt helped create when he got on the field)


III. How did Mexico counter?

By literally countering

As I mentioned before, Muller doesn't give you width on the right, Draxler doesn't give you width on the left usually. Khedira was always out of position. This forced Hummels or Boateng to step into midfield, leaving 1 center back and usually Plattenhardt alone.

Mexico kept two wingers high with Chicharito occupying the lone center back. Lozano and Layun were constantly given tons of space. Mexico played several beautiful counter attacks in the first half. For all of Chicharito's shortcomings, his movement has always been great. If he was better with the ball, he could've gotten a couple in the first half.

by the 35th minute, Mexico was gassed so the balls became longer and the support thinned from the rest of the team.

IV. Mexico was actually bad in the 2nd half

Jogi took off Khedira was a negative all match and added Reus. He gambled that Mexico was tired and they would bunker down. They did. The problem was that Germany's movement in front of the goal never got better, they stayed occupying the same zones and rendered Werner useless.

Mexico was dead tired and halfway cleared several balls right back to German attackers and played a sloppy half in general, gifting multiple chances to the Germans.

Germany, for all their faults, had several chances to equalize, but couldn't ever get their heads out of their asses.

V. So how does Germany fix it?


Khedira needs to take the laces out of his cleats and put his feet up.

Looking at the squad, Plattenhardt played because Hector was sick. Hector is a better player, I expect he'll be well by next match.

Hummels can't play the game Germany played against Mexico. If Jogi is going to gamble on having no holding midfielder, Sule or Rudiger needs to play.

The squad is deep so there are plenty of options. Here are a couple that I like. I'd be willing to discuss more options/why I chose those players, if you'd like

1)





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3)





This is another inverted winger option, but in this instance you have double cover in the midfield for Kroos with Goretzka and Rudy which allows for Kimmich and Hector to play very attacking. In this scenario, you have at least one center mid back to break up the counter, alleviating the pressure from Hummels and Boateng.

I could also see Draxler on the left for Özil, but I think Özil plays because of experience.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 9:17 am
Posted by jackwoods4
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:18 am to
I enjoy when you talk tactics to me
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:22 am to
Like i said yesterday

the fullbacks way to much freedom with no real cover. Leaving Kroos to sprint 20 yards to back track on the Mexico counter. Hummels playing way out of position leaving Boateng out to dry. Hummels lack of pace was on full display.

Kimmich was woeful, often way out of position.

Sami, just doesn't have it anymore at this level to start.

and yes Mexico was terrible in the 2nd half
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11713 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:32 am to
I'm pretty sure all Germany has to do to win the World Cup is to get rid of Merkel...
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:33 am to
quote:

I'm pretty sure all Germany has to do to win the World Cup is to get rid of Merkel...
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:44 am to
I think you're big time missing the point if you think Kimmich was "woeful"

He was basically sent on a suicide mission for 90 minutes. He didn't have a good game, but I don't think anyone would've had a good game in those conditions.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:49 am to
It came to the point he just wasn't in position at all.

Like the time he tried the overhead kick at the fricking penalty spot.

A fullback at the end of the day needs to get back after they push forward, esp when everyone else has clearly not been given instructions to cover those areas.

Maybe Kimmich didn't respect the Mexican counter, who knows but he deserves some of the blame.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10508 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:53 am to
No Gundogan, no win.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:56 am to
quote:

No Gundogan, no win.


ehhh

he's never been that great playing for Germany. The things he is good at Kroos is much better at.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:56 am to
Came for criticism of Ozil; left disappointed.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Like the time he tried the overhead kick at the fricking penalty spot.



You're so British. Soccer isn't played so rigidly anymore in other parts of the world. He was going to be pushed up that far regardless if he was on the right or in the center. That was actually very good movement by him.

That's when you need a center mid to break the counter and the opposing fullback recovering.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Came for criticism of Ozil; left disappointed.



Ozil didn't play well either but he was also having to drop deep to cover for Khedira, and he was often times denied space by his own teammates. Tactically it was a clusterfrick. He needs to be able to float and he wasn't allowed that luxury.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Came for criticism of Ozil; left disappointed.


When he was playing up as the facilitator he never really saw the ball. Also didn't help Kroos was playing way up into his space.

Then him basically playing in a low block after Reus came on. Wtf do you expect him to do from there.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:02 am to
quote:

You're so British. Soccer isn't played so rigidly anymore in other parts of the world. He was going to be pushed up that far regardless if he was on the right or in the center. That was actually very good movement by him. That's when you need a center mid to break the counter and the opposing fullback recovering.


o frick off with that shite

i full know who how modern non British soccer is played with fluidness. Get off your Pep high horse of three years at Bayern.

At the end of the day like I said he needs to get back. Esp when no one is covering his areas. Kimmich is great at making those overlaps and playing the ball into the box, or when the wide player uses the space wide, he makes that run into the space created.

Hes not supposed to be the farthest man up the pitch at the penalty spot.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
31908 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:03 am to
It's criminal that he cut Sane. Any other coach would have (rightfully) been called out for this.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:09 am to
quote:

It's criminal that he cut Sane. Any other coach would have (rightfully) been called out for this.


There is something else going on we don't know about

He wasn't great in the warm up matches but hes been in amazing form.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:09 am to
quote:

i full know who how modern non British soccer is played with fluidness. Get off your Pep high horse of three years at Bayern.



Players make runs. They're not tied to one zone on the field. Kimmich scores a lot of goals and assists a ton because he's always moving. Players cover for each other all over the field. "Positions" are meaningless when teams attack nowadays. Watch some games from other countries.


quote:

Hes not supposed to be the farthest man up the pitch at the penalty spot.




Says who? His run has nothing to do with Khedira not providing cover for Kroos.

You're right, his spot was often left vacated because of his runs forward, but he was the only one providing width offensively. That's how the team was set up. Jogi thought they'd be able to squash the counter before it even started by playing Kroos and Khedira high, but Khedira couldn't move and Mexico got the ball out of there quick.

If Germany wants to have their fullbacks in the attack, they have to do better in the center of the field. That's on Low
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125415 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:16 am to
quote:

Players make runs. They're not tied to one zone on the field. Kimmich scores a lot of goals and assists a ton because he's always moving. Players cover for each other all over the field. "Positions" are meaningless when teams attack nowadays


But no one was covering him. That's my point, on the counter you saw Kroos sprinting 20 fricking yards.

quote:

Watch some games from other countries.

now you are full of shite, bc you know i watch a ton of Bundesliga and other leagues.

quote:

Says who? His run has nothing to do with Khedira not providing cover for Kroos. You're right, his spot was often left vacated because of his runs forward, but he was the only one providing width offensively. That's how the team was set up. Jogi thought they'd be able to squash the counter before it even started by playing Kroos and Khedira high, but Khedira couldn't move and Mexico got the ball out of there quick. If Germany wants to have their fullbacks in the attack, they have to do better in the center of the field. That's on Low


The problem was Muller not being a true wide man, and him and Kimmich both wanting to play to the inside.

If Muller is on that side with him, Kimmich needs to mostly overlap to the outside stretching the defense and wipe it in.

Posted by Tweezy
west of east
Member since Apr 2008
12157 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:22 am to
I would be very interested in seeing lineup one out there next match. Enjoyed Brandt yesterday and want to see a little more of him.

Also big Sule fan.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:23 am to
Kimmich made like 2 runs inside and nearly scored on one of them . The rest of the time he was on the outside. Do you think he was not instructed to play so offensively?

Kroos was sprinting back because Khedira vacated his space and a center back was in the midfield. That all goes back to how the team was instructed to play.
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