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re: Extremely Detailed Article on the Last 7 Years of US Soccer on the Ringer

Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:29 am to
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:29 am to
Has any GM ever been fired because one coach didn't work out?

You don't want to have to hire a new GM every time you have to fire a coach.
Posted by cigsmcgee
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:05 pm to
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Has any GM ever been fired because one coach didn't work out?



in pro sports? for sure.

and the GM role is def there to take some heat off the president. it will be much smoother to tie a GMs future to coaching hires than the head of the whole organization.

who was holding Gulati accountable for his decisions? no one, really. With a GM, there will be much more scrutiny and review.


Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:59 pm to
I agree with this.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:04 pm to
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and the GM role is def there to take some heat off the president

Yes, but getting rid of every GM that hires a coach that doesn't work out will quickly find you with no qualified candidates wanting the GM position. You may as well get rid of the "fires the head coach" part of the job description because no one is going to fire a coach if it means that they will also get fired.
Posted by cigsmcgee
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:10 pm to
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getting rid of every GM that hires a coach that doesn't work out


im not really sure why youre jumping to this conclusion. but it is certainly an option and within the feds right.

i mean, it would have to be an unmitigated disaster to fire a coach and GM in concert. and considering the GMs other duties, its possible that if he's been strong in other areas, depending on the situation, he could survive multiple hiring cycles.

you never know, but its better to have more options on the table than fewer.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:11 pm to
Also, the GM will report to the CEO, not the president.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:14 pm to
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im not really sure why youre jumping to this conclusion.

All of this has been in reference to the following quote from the previous page:

quote:

I mean his job is to get fired when the next manager fails.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:19 pm to
Earnie will start August 1.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:20 pm to
Official job description from US Soccer:

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--Leading the search and hiring process for the Head Coach;

--Creating the environment—both day-to-day and long-term—for the Head Coach and the Men’s National Team to succeed;

--Ensuring that U.S. Soccer’s Style of Play, Team Tactical Principles, and Key Qualities are being implemented within the Men’s National Team;

--Creating a player profile for each position on the field based on the Style of Play, Team Tactical Principles, and Key Qualities;

--Working with the Head Coach to create positional depth charts based on the player profile, accounting for player’s current and potential ability to compete at the highest levels in the world;

--Evaluating and monitoring players coming up through the Youth National Team programs and ensuring that the best talent is identified and cultivated; and,

--Communicating and working with the Sport Development Departments to drive technical alignment and integration, including Coaching Education, Player Development, High Performance, Talent Identification and Youth National Teams.


Posted by cigsmcgee
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:21 pm to
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I mean his job is to get fired when the next manager fails.



if failure means missing a WC or failing to win a gold cup in a cycle, then a GM should def fired. a GM should also know when to retain a coach and when to move on.

schools get by with having ADs on short leashes, so too do pro franchises. this should be no different. make good informed, successful decisions and keep your job. get fired if you dont. why keep a guy employed to potentially make another hiring blunder?
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:27 pm to
I'm not saying you can't fire the damn guy, but doing so because of one hire that didn't go well is way too short of a leash and not enough of an indication of how well he's doing his job.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:28 pm to
Stewart says a "wide list of candidates" has been put together initially in the search for the new #USMNT coach. Mentioned style of play (and developing one that fits well with USA) being more important a factor than geographic background of candidates.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:34 pm to
And his ability to recognize when a coach isn't going to work is a better gauge than just the fact that he hired a coach that didn't work.

Also, I'm not sure he actually has full hiring/firing power. He may lead the search but I think the committee makes the final decision.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:35 pm
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