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Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:46 am to raw dog
It all depends on how much you are about the stats. The everyday American sports fans won't care about any soccer stats besides goals. The only people who would understand and care about the stats are the people who know the game, so to everyone else, soccer stats are meaningless
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:46 am to LSUSOBEAST1
There isn't a meaningful difference between points scored in a basketball game and passes completed in a soccer game?
This post was edited on 8/17/12 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:47 am to bluebarracuda
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It all depends on how much you are about the stats. The everyday American sports fans won't care about any soccer stats besides goals. The only people who would understand and care about the stats are the people who know the game, so to everyone else, soccer stats are meaningless
thisPosted on 8/17/12 at 11:50 am to raw dog
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There isn't a meaningful difference between points scored in a basketball game and passes completed in a soccer game?
Why would you not compare points scored to goals scored?
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:54 am to LSUSOBEAST1
I still think points scored in a basketball game are a lot more significant and indicating of the game than goals scored in soccer. I scored a lot of goals not because I earned them, but because of chance, or because of an incredible play by a teammate. Granted there are some dunks, and easy lay ups in basketball, not as much though.
This post was edited on 8/17/12 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:56 am to raw dog
LOfrickingL
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:59 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Last thing I'll say about that is that in basketball often times points are scored completely because of one players efforts. Maradonna half-field goal scoring runs are not commonplace like Kobe going 1 on 1.
Posted on 8/17/12 at 11:59 am to raw dog
Just STFU
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:00 pm to raw dog
So the 1-3 goals scored in a match aren't as important as the abundant number scored in basketball?
Great arguement
Great arguement
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:01 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I bet you were a great player and were a treat to have on the team. Gotta run
*Barracuda I'm not talking on an absolute basis, you obviously have to proportionally adjust to match the difference in goals in a game to points in a game.
*Barracuda I'm not talking on an absolute basis, you obviously have to proportionally adjust to match the difference in goals in a game to points in a game.
This post was edited on 8/17/12 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:02 pm to raw dog
The biggest problem in soccer is that there isn't a single metric which determines what players are the best. For example, a pass completed stat for a team like Stoke is completely meaningless, since they don't have a strong correlation in chance creation between passes completed and goal scoring opportunities. The more people study these stats though, increases the chance that we will see a metric that can describe the most efficient players.
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:07 pm to raw dog
Had you not watched the Mexico game you would not know from any star really that he was the catalyst in our goal. The only thing that would show up for him is dribble and pass completed but no goal or assist. Stats are really just a good supplement for after or during or after the game but that could probably be said for most sports.
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:14 pm to crazy4lsu
Each and every day the statistical categories in soccer expand. Simple iPad apps now exist to facilitate statistical tracking for an average fan.
The recent development of heat maps are one of the more telling stats that exist. You can take a glimpse of that map and get an idea of the tempo of the game and which side controlled the match. Obviously you don't know for sure which side was victorious, but you can get a good idea. Furthermore, passing maps are being released where every single pass for an individual player (or team for that matter) is gathered into a single viewable image. That's pretty amazing.
We aren't far off from having every player's jersey lined with GPS chips and fricking heart monitors. Once that happens, every single movement they make will be charted and documented.
The recent development of heat maps are one of the more telling stats that exist. You can take a glimpse of that map and get an idea of the tempo of the game and which side controlled the match. Obviously you don't know for sure which side was victorious, but you can get a good idea. Furthermore, passing maps are being released where every single pass for an individual player (or team for that matter) is gathered into a single viewable image. That's pretty amazing.
We aren't far off from having every player's jersey lined with GPS chips and fricking heart monitors. Once that happens, every single movement they make will be charted and documented.
This post was edited on 8/17/12 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/17/12 at 12:42 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
adidas has the miCoach thing in MLS now...pretty cool stuff if you haven't seen it: LINK
This post was edited on 8/17/12 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/17/12 at 2:31 pm to raw dog
I would agree to an extent over a single game while restricting yourself to a traditional box score
I think that whoscored.com actually does a decent job with their match ratings using statistical analysis if you would like to see how it can be done
I think that whoscored.com actually does a decent job with their match ratings using statistical analysis if you would like to see how it can be done
Posted on 8/17/12 at 3:36 pm to joey barton
sometimes it's a matter of opinion whom the best player is in a particular game... there's no stat for beating your man in a 1v1, or hitting a good cross field pass or the most incisive through ball
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