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re: Chelsea 2013/14 Season Long Thread
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:34 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:34 pm to RandySavage
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If he really cared what they thought/"wanted their adulation" at Madrid he wouldn't have benched Casillas.
Wrong. Casillas was bigger/more important to the Madrid faithful than he was, which Mourinho ultimately couldn't handle.
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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You can believe whatever you like if that helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:38 pm to WarSlamEagle
You guys are contradicting yourselves in every post.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:48 pm to RandySavage
No, not really. He was always going to struggle to win over the Madrid fans because of his style, which he changed. Casillas is a stalwart of that fanbase, a homegrown keeper who has grown to be one of the best ever players in his position. In the eyes of those fans, Casillas can do very little wrong. I mean, let's remember that the Madrid fanbase was the one that chased away Fabio Capello after he won La Liga because he didn't play attractive enough football.
Mourinho, as a classic narcissist, was obviously envious of Casillas's adoration. Problems between Mourinho and Casillas date back to his first season in charge, because no one at any of the clubs Mourinho has managed can be bigger than Mourinho himself.
He might have a special relationship with Chelsea, but it is because he receives unmitigated adulation from the fans, who treat Mourinho as Madrid fans treat Casillas. Outside of winning football matches, which Mourinho does very well, he wants the unmitigated adulation, the desire for none of his moves to be questioned. He was never going to get that at Madrid. Ever. Unless the team was undefeated, and won the Decima, and played the most spectacular football imaginable.
Mourinho, as a classic narcissist, was obviously envious of Casillas's adoration. Problems between Mourinho and Casillas date back to his first season in charge, because no one at any of the clubs Mourinho has managed can be bigger than Mourinho himself.
He might have a special relationship with Chelsea, but it is because he receives unmitigated adulation from the fans, who treat Mourinho as Madrid fans treat Casillas. Outside of winning football matches, which Mourinho does very well, he wants the unmitigated adulation, the desire for none of his moves to be questioned. He was never going to get that at Madrid. Ever. Unless the team was undefeated, and won the Decima, and played the most spectacular football imaginable.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:49 pm to RandySavage
David Moyes is considering selling RVP. FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY! OMGz!!
Pep is pondering selling Schweinsteiger because he's not his "type" player and Financial Fair Play is going to frick them backdoor ungreased.
Pep is pondering selling Schweinsteiger because he's not his "type" player and Financial Fair Play is going to frick them backdoor ungreased.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 1:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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No, not really. He was always going to struggle to win over the Madrid fans because of his style, which he changed. Casillas is a stalwart of that fanbase, a homegrown keeper who has grown to be one of the best ever players in his position. In the eyes of those fans, Casillas can do very little wrong. I mean, let's remember that the Madrid fanbase was the one that chased away Fabio Capello after he won La Liga because he didn't play attractive enough football.
Mourinho, as a classic narcissist, was obviously envious of Casillas's adoration. Problems between Mourinho and Casillas date back to his first season in charge, because no one at any of the clubs Mourinho has managed can be bigger than Mourinho himself.
He might have a special relationship with Chelsea, but it is because he receives unmitigated adulation from the fans, who treat Mourinho as Madrid fans treat Casillas. Outside of winning football matches, which Mourinho does very well, he wants the unmitigated adulation, the desire for none of his moves to be questioned. He was never going to get that at Madrid. Ever. Unless the team was undefeated, and won the Decima, and played the most spectacular football imaginable.
What the frick does any of this have to do with selling the best number 10 in England and David Future Captain Luiz?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:00 pm to UPT
allow me to attempt to explain, since you clearly have no clue.
FFP is a (flawed) attempt to decrease clubs spending outside their means. Chelsea have spent a lot of money. Due to what they've already spent and their revenue, they can't buy two or three significant additions without falling out of FFP compliance. ManU and Bayern aren't in remotely close financial situations. Chelsea isn't forced to sell anyone. but if they want to add this summer, there has to be subtraction somewhere.
FFP is a (flawed) attempt to decrease clubs spending outside their means. Chelsea have spent a lot of money. Due to what they've already spent and their revenue, they can't buy two or three significant additions without falling out of FFP compliance. ManU and Bayern aren't in remotely close financial situations. Chelsea isn't forced to sell anyone. but if they want to add this summer, there has to be subtraction somewhere.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:06 pm to UPT
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David Future Captain Luiz
I don't understand why people are so fascinated with him. I would be jumping in joy if a 20+ million offer was on the table for him (if I was a chelsea fan).
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:06 pm to UPT
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What the frick does any of this have to do with selling the best number 10 in England and David Future Captain Luiz?
Nothing, but I'm not particularly surprised that Mourinho is willing to listen to offers.
For example, if Mourinho employs his deep 4-3-3, Mata can play the wing, as he did at Valencia, but he isn't known for tracking back, nor is he a fast player who can drive at players in the counter-attack. The comparison to Sneijder is not accurate, as Sneijder can play much deeper than Mata, who is closer to a classic number 10 than a CM. If you want to build the team around Mata, it would be best to employ a 4-2-3-1, but Ramires and Mikel as a double pivot offers very little in terms of dynamic forward passing. Mikel fits the anchor man role that Makelele revolutionized, because he can hold the single pivot, and can offer simple passes forward.
Luiz is a bit of an enigma, as he is a superb ball playing CB who is a bit unpredictable with his positioning defensively. He's an alright passer from midfield, but in Mourinho's mind, moving from Xabi Alonso to David Luiz is a major step down in the passing department. Luiz could be the all action midfielder in a double pivot with a DLP partner, but I don't see anyone on Chelsea's roster who can fit the DLP, other than Romeu, who is a bit suspect in other areas.
In addition, these players can raise funds for players who fit into Mourinho's scheme perfectly. It would be a mistake to sell them without adequate replacements, but I can totally understand why there is talk of selling them.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:13 pm to crazy4lsu
Cech
Ivan Cahill Terry Cole
Ramires Luiz
Mata
New signing Hazard
Lukaku/Torres/Ba/New signing
Mourinho has won four major European leagues in the last 10 years, 2 CL's, a bevy of semifinal apeparances, multiple domestic Cups with all sorts of squads and players. Good managers have a system but know how, and are willing to tweak it, to get the most out of the squad. This is what will happen.
Ivan Cahill Terry Cole
Ramires Luiz
Mata
New signing Hazard
Lukaku/Torres/Ba/New signing
Mourinho has won four major European leagues in the last 10 years, 2 CL's, a bevy of semifinal apeparances, multiple domestic Cups with all sorts of squads and players. Good managers have a system but know how, and are willing to tweak it, to get the most out of the squad. This is what will happen.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:21 pm to RandySavage
I'm not sure what your formation is. Also I think the Luiz-Ramires pivot is lacking in passing, though it would work defensively. If Mourinho is to build a counterattacking side, there needs to be someone who can pass deep out of midfield.
You also need wingers who are fast and willing to defend. I could see Mata flourishing in a role similar to Fabregas's in 2009-10, basically a shadow striker who works an axis with a CF who can hold up play. Both players are slow as shite, but are dynamic with the ball at their feet.
All this depends on what kind of side Mourinho wants to build. I don't think he will build a high-energy pressing side, as that didn't work with AVB.
You also need wingers who are fast and willing to defend. I could see Mata flourishing in a role similar to Fabregas's in 2009-10, basically a shadow striker who works an axis with a CF who can hold up play. Both players are slow as shite, but are dynamic with the ball at their feet.
All this depends on what kind of side Mourinho wants to build. I don't think he will build a high-energy pressing side, as that didn't work with AVB.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:24 pm to RandySavage
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Good managers have a system but know how, and are willing to tweak it, to get the most out of the squad. This is what will happen.
Of course. There might be no one better than Mourinho in adapting to his players on hand. But what do you think his inclination is going to be? Under Di Matteo, the defensive positioning of the withdrawn forward line was all over the place. That was fixed under Benetiz, but the attack became less dynamic. There is going to be a significant trade-off somewhere. I still think Mourinho is going to look for a DLP who is positionally astute and can start attacks from deep.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:26 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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allow me to attempt to explain, since you clearly have no clue.
I've got a raging clue!
I think I probably have a better grasp of what's going on with this situation and ffp than you, minus the insufferable know-it-all attitude.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:27 pm to crazy4lsu
I think Luiz can become that. He's shown plenty of glimpses of being able to pick out passes in his limited time in that role.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:30 pm to RandySavage
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I think Luiz can become that. He's shown plenty of glimpses of being able to pick out passes in his limited time in that role.
Barcelona has always wanted him because he can't pass for shite. You watch enough Chelsea to know better than that.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:31 pm to UPT
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I think I probably have a better grasp of what's going on with this situation and ffp than you, minus the insufferable know-it-all attitude.
How? You mentioned United and Bayern, two teams that aren't going to have to worry about FFP because of their massive revenue streams.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:33 pm to RandySavage
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I think Luiz can become that. He's shown plenty of glimpses of being able to pick out passes in his limited time in that role.
Possibly, but I think he's a year or two away. I also don't think he's to ever going to be the elite passer Mourinho had in Alonso. I don't think he can be as good as Cambiasso either. Mourinho has been spoiled in terms of his midfield options in his past two teams. Chelsea's options deep in midfield are more pedestrian. If he has to sell to buy, then I'm not surprised that Mata and Luiz would be the first to go. They would each demand around 25 million euros at the minimum. Who else would he sell that could raise his transfer funds?
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:36 pm to UPT
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Barcelona has always wanted him because he can't pass for shite. You watch enough Chelsea to know better than that.
Barcelona wants him because he can pass from the CB position. He can slot into their short passing game, or so the thought goes. Passing from the DM position is a different skill. Also Barca want him because he can play the high line quite easily, and is a big, physical option. Hummels is a better passer than Luiz as a CB, but is less dynamic.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:46 pm to crazy4lsu
So who is he going to buy once he has these funds? What players would be good enough to justify selling two of our best young players?
Honest question because I don't watch a ton of matches outside England.
Honest question because I don't watch a ton of matches outside England.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 2:58 pm to RandySavage
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Honest question because I don't watch a ton of matches outside England.
You had me fooled.
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