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re: 2014/2015 Winter Transfer Thread
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 am to RandySavage
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 am to RandySavage
TBH, I dont hate you outside of both of our board personas and respective clubs...
I have had far worse arguments and disagreements, with worse language, with dear friends, than I have had on here with you... I actually think you are intelligent, if not somewhat warped..
I have had far worse arguments and disagreements, with worse language, with dear friends, than I have had on here with you... I actually think you are intelligent, if not somewhat warped..
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:05 am to StraightCashHomey21
gotta side with tftc. silly to argue he's too good to be a backup (which is what you're doing with your WC point) then rip them for buying. though I guess your point might be he's too cocky to fit in and accept that role (which I also disagree with).
also, if the price is 4m for a productive striker, if you can get a good year or two out of them, that isn't terrible. he was more productive than most strikers last year. gives them a different look as an impact sub too. it's also funny to see you rip this in light of your views on the Shaw deal. feel like it's less of stretch to justify this cheap deal.
also, if the price is 4m for a productive striker, if you can get a good year or two out of them, that isn't terrible. he was more productive than most strikers last year. gives them a different look as an impact sub too. it's also funny to see you rip this in light of your views on the Shaw deal. feel like it's less of stretch to justify this cheap deal.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:36 am to Friend of OBUDan
yes... somehow this got turned into a Lambert/Sheringham topic...
That was a side note and I compared signings, not players abilities... meaning, both clubs signed a veteran, england international, who is a proven goal scorer at 30 + years of age... Not Lambert is/was better than Sheringham... I'll concede TS will go down as the "better player"
Though, in his defense, I will say that RL had a more productive season in the EPL at 32, than TS ever had at that age... And despite whatever they did prior to joining ManU and LFC, that is kinda out the window on the actual player each club bought... a 30+ years old striker... so, even by SCH's logic, the comparison is far from absurd...
That was a side note and I compared signings, not players abilities... meaning, both clubs signed a veteran, england international, who is a proven goal scorer at 30 + years of age... Not Lambert is/was better than Sheringham... I'll concede TS will go down as the "better player"
Though, in his defense, I will say that RL had a more productive season in the EPL at 32, than TS ever had at that age... And despite whatever they did prior to joining ManU and LFC, that is kinda out the window on the actual player each club bought... a 30+ years old striker... so, even by SCH's logic, the comparison is far from absurd...
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:39 am to TFTC
so Lambert is done deal... that's an odd one? Does BR think Suarez is going somewhere?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:46 am to The Mick
no. this would be a bad deal if he was brought in to be a starter or even the second string striker.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:06 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I don't think Lambert's signing is tied to Suarez at all. If he does leave, I think we will target a lot younger player with more potential, if not a marquee name in his prime...
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:18 pm to The Mick
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Does BR think Suarez is going somewhere?
Rickie Lambert wanted to go home to his boyhood club and Liverpool got an experienced player that has been successful in the EPL for a relatively cheap deal. Sounds like a win for both. I'm interested to see how Rodgers will utilize him.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:28 pm to Waffle House
Izaguirre and Lustig signed new deals today. Very pleased with keeping Lustig, as he could easily start for a top-half EPL or Bundesliga squad.
ETA: Important SB edit
ETA: Important SB edit
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:43 pm to TFTC
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yes... somehow this got turned into a Lambert/Sheringham topic...
B.c you brought up Teddy not me.
I never said he sucked, just questioning why he wants to be a back up instead of regular first team football.
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I'll concede TS will go down as the "better player"
dunno what the the quotes are for he was a much better player.
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Though, in his defense, I will say that RL had a more productive season in the EPL at 32, than TS ever had at that age... And despite whatever they did prior to joining ManU and LFC, that is kinda out the window on the actual player each club bought... a 30+ years old striker... so, even by SCH's logic, the comparison is far from absurd...
Teddy scored 62 goals in the EPL after 31
Lambert was in the lower leagues in his 20's. Teddy was ripping the EPL apart in his 20's.
You can't compare one of the best English strikers ever with a guy like Lambert.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:50 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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B.c you brought up Teddy not me.
not as to who is the better player...
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:52 pm to TFTC
how does quality of a player at a certain age not factor into quality of transfer?
i'm not taking sides here but come on man
i'm not taking sides here but come on man
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:53 pm to TFTC
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not as who is the better player...
Fair enough but comparing the two just does not fit in this situation. Thats why I said Teddy is better and this back and forth started. Then you get all worked up basically calling me stupid. It was pretty pathetic.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Teddy scored 62 goals in the EPL after 31
Lambert was in the lower leagues in his 20's. Teddy was ripping the EPL apart in his 20's.
You can't compare one of the best English strikers ever with a guy like Lambert.
Ok, you really can't comprehend what I am saying...
Did either of our respective clubs buy a player in their 20s... No!
I can very well compare the two in this context... Great, after 31 TS averaged what? 6-7 goals a year... World Class! The best was 15 goals where Lambert has scored 15/5 and 13/10 in his 2 EPL seasons at age 31 and older... Those numbers are very comparable!
TS played another 10 years after 31... great! happy for him! If RL plays that long it will be an achievement in itself! But, so far the data is showing that, as a 31+ yr old player, RL is a more effective EPL striker... that could change, but neither one of us have a crystal ball..
Again, I only brought up TS's name, in regards to the TYPE OF SIGNING they were to the clubs...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Teddy Sherringham was much better than Ricky Lambert. It's absurd to suggests otherwise.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:07 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Teddy Sherringham was much better than Ricky Lambert. It's absurd to suggests otherwise.
No one is suggesting he wasn't, but ManU signed a 31 yr old Sheringham and Lambert is 32.. There is no doubt TS had a more storied and better career..
My original point was to compare the signings... productive, older strikers, that fit the needs of the club. Good signings for both.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:08 pm to TFTC
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I can very well compare the two in this context... Great, after 31 TS averaged what? 6-7 goals a year... World Class! The best was 15 goals where Lambert has scored 15/5 and 13/10 in his 2 EPL seasons at age 31 and older... Those numbers are very comparable!
His last two years with his first stint at Spurts he scored 32 goals
Teddy scored 21 goals in his last season at United at 35 years old
Then 13 and 13 back at Spurs. Then 10 more at Portsmouth
Once again I never said Lambert sucks. But now with his new role at Liverpool you really can't expect more than 5-8 goals a year.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Didn't read the whole argument but it seems like a Lambert type could be a good signing for club depth with the upcoming extra fixtures if the price is relatively low.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I was just going off of league goals, but he only scored 9 of those in his last season at Tottenham... He was hardly the player he was in his 20s (understandable).
And I can't predict what RL will do as a squad player in the future.. or as a main striker at a smaller club if he leaves... what I can say is what he's done at the age of 31 in the EPL, which is very comparable to TS at the same age in the same league..
We can revisit this in a year and Lambert may stink up the pitch for us... I mean, it's safe to say his numbers will go down due to playing time but at 32 years of age.. the price and the skill set he brings, he is a good signing for us
And I can't predict what RL will do as a squad player in the future.. or as a main striker at a smaller club if he leaves... what I can say is what he's done at the age of 31 in the EPL, which is very comparable to TS at the same age in the same league..
We can revisit this in a year and Lambert may stink up the pitch for us... I mean, it's safe to say his numbers will go down due to playing time but at 32 years of age.. the price and the skill set he brings, he is a good signing for us
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:21 pm to wm72
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Didn't read the whole argument but it seems like a Lambert type could be a good signing for club depth with the upcoming extra fixtures if the price is relatively low.
Basically, the point that was intended all along... no need to wade through it..
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:24 pm to TFTC
I get it man you are happy Liverpool is bringing home a boyhood fan. But to claim its a similar type of singing as United bringing in Teddy is silly. Your letting your Liverpool emotions take over too much in this.
We could also debate how many goals each scored not from the penalty spot b/c Lambert would look worse vs Teddy.
We could also debate how many goals each scored not from the penalty spot b/c Lambert would look worse vs Teddy.
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