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troyt37
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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Oh Jesus. Semantics.


If you're going to make a conservative case, you don't start out talking about government funding. Government funding is horse shite. It's taxpayer funding. They take from us, in staggering amounts. If you want to set a conservative's teeth on edge, talk to them about government funding.

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And there are plenty of functions of the federal government in which utilizing tax dollars to fund can still be "conservative." While our fed is bloated and should be chopped off at the knees, it's not as if it should have zero function.


And when it is chopped off at the knees, then we can talk about the conservative case for additional taxpayer funding of NIH research. Let's not forget to fix big pharma's scheme to have the American taxpayer subsidize medicine for the rest of the world before we talk in earnest.


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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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But you can't read so I'm sure it's just an innocent mistake


Logically, unless the optimal talent for your organization just so happens to be perfectly distributed for you needs and timing across EVERY demographic, this goal as stated sacrifices talent for demographics.

So, of course, you’re wrong.


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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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“non-rivalrous”


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“non-excludable”


This isn't a conservative or liberal case for government funding. This is just the basic definition of a "public good." And yes - most reasonable people agree that the government has some role in financing research and activities that the private sector will never support.

Sadly, our watered down education system doesn't teach these elementary concepts.


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bmy
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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Logically, unless the optimal talent for your organization just so happens to be perfectly distributed for you needs and timing across EVERY demographic, this goal as stated sacrifices talent for demographics.

So, of course, you’re wrong.


The fact that you think you made a logical argument here is cracking me up


YipSkiddlyDooo
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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If you're going to make a conservative case, you don't start out talking about government funding.


I'm sorry you are not smart enough (or maybe too sensitive an individual) to understand what people were talking about. Does anyone here think that the fed's budget comes from somewhere other than taxpayers pockets? No? Then bitching about it is pointless. Everyone else who ignored the verbiage because it has yet to be confused for something that its not, can carry on with their panties un-bunched. You should pluck yours out.


troyt37
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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The fact that you think you made a logical argument here is cracking me up


The fact that you are such a zealot or idiot that you can’t understand it, is cracking me up. If you want the most talented people from every demographic, instead of the most talented people, you’re into affirmative action more than science.


troyt37
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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I'm sorry you are not smart enough (or maybe too sensitive an individual) to understand what people were talking about. Does anyone here think that the fed's budget comes from somewhere other than taxpayers pockets? No? Then bitching about it is pointless. Everyone else who ignored the verbiage because it has yet to be confused for something that its not, can carry on with their panties un-bunched. You should pluck yours out.



It’s the leftist language of Washington DC, in a supposedly conservative case for more funding. There is meaning in the language that is used. This conservative case is chock full of leftist diatribe, and apparently it wads your panties up, having someone point that out. Illustrating the fact that what is supposedly a conservative case for more funding is replete with leftist language and bull shite is not pointless.


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StripedSaint
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
Endowments do help fund research. NIH has salary caps and never pay total budgeted amount.


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StripedSaint
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
NIH does not fund “big” private research and gives the vast majority of funding strictly on merit.
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bmy
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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The fact that you are such a zealot or idiot that you can’t understand it, is cracking me up. If you want the most talented people from every demographic, instead of the most talented people, you’re into affirmative action more than science.


They will recruit talented people. From where? From every demographic.

Rich, poor, old, young, white, black, asian, male, female, etc etc.

You would probably get lumped into the demographic of people who can't read (god damnit what a typo)
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efrad
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
Why do so many conservatives abandon their principles so quickly the second we're not talking about a hot-button issue?

Are you telling me that politicians who have never done shite in the real world can suddenly tell private citizens how to better spend their money on science research? What makes the politicians so qualified to make that kind of call?

Or is it different this time, because it's proposed by conservative elites instead of liberal elites?

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Like clean air and national defense, advancing our understanding of nature is a public good — something that can only be provided by the government.


So, uh, is this the conservative version of "You didn't build that!"


How about this: it's MY money, and I will choose where it goes, not YOU or any of the politicians you anoint. YOU don't have a claim to any portion of MY PAYCHECK no matter how loudly you scream "government funds will be used responsibly this time I swear"


YipSkiddlyDooo
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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How about this: it's MY money, and I will choose where it goes, not YOU or any of the politicians you anoint. YOU don't have a claim to any portion of MY PAYCHECK no matter how loudly you scream "government funds will be used responsibly this time I swear"




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StripedSaint
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How about this: it's MY money, and I will choose where it goes

As long as you are okay with you or your family not receiving any of the benefit from the NIH funded discoveries.


efrad
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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As long as you are okay with you or your family not receiving any of the benefit from the NIH funded discoveries.


If you're OK with it being opt-out, then why does the government need to be involved in the first place? The whole point of getting the government in this business is so politicians can force the taxpayers to pay for the research politicians demand must be paid for.

If that's not the reason, what's the reason? Are we going to pretend like politicians have a great grasp on what needs to be researched?

If it's opt-out and we agree politicians are not the best at understanding where to direct research funds, then why is the government the avenue to solve this problem?


troyt37
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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They will recruit talented people. From where? From every demographic.

Rich, poor, old, young, white, black, asian, male, female, etc etc.

You would probably lumped into the demographic of people who can't read



You are the embodiment of purposefully ignorant. The fact that they are even mentioning demographics regarding recruiting talent for scientific research, pretty much tells the sane everything they need to know.

If your life depends on it, are you happier with your team of doctors being the most diverse, or the most talented? I have no doubt, socialist democrat shit-eaters such as yourself would use something like this to claim racism, but if my life depends on medical research done at the NIH, I want the most talented, and I don’t give a shite if they’re green. They can shove their demographics.
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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Let’s start with the basics: ... public good — something that can only be provided by the government.
Nope.


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StripedSaint
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
With all due respect, but you have zero idea how NIH chooses what to fund. Zero.


efrad
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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With all due respect, but you have zero idea how NIH chooses what to fund. Zero.


With all due respect, I know that every decision regarding the use of my tax dollars is made either by a politician or, worse, an unelected bureaucrat.

Your post is as naïve as one who says "With all due respect, you don't know how the red flag confiscation orders are going to be chosen."


StripedSaint
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
Wrong, but there is no convincing you and your idea of an “unelected bureaucrat”. I simply suggest you research the topic of funding, subjects it funds and the greater benefit of the NIH. The discoveries it has funded has almost certainly helped someone in your family or will in the future.
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efrad
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re: Your thoughts on this article? A conservative case for govt funding of NIH research
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Wrong, but there is no convincing you and your idea of an “unelected bureaucrat”.


If you don't think politics ever enters this sphere you're very mistaken.

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I simply suggest you research the topic of funding, subjects it funds and the greater benefit of the NIH. The discoveries it has funded has almost certainly helped someone in your family or will in the future.


I'm familiar with the work NIH does, and I'm aware it's helped me. I've read tons of studies and other resources from NIH doing my own personal medical research.

It was never any question whether or not NIH does some good stuff.

The question is what value society has been robbed of and if it's ethical to take people's paychecks because you think you your squad knows how to do it better. You know that if the money for NIH weren't collected, all that money goes back into the economy to be spent on other things the rightful owners of that money desire? Including... get this... medical research, if that person so desires.


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