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re: You are Exempt from committing Sedition if You Have
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:05 am to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:05 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Except he’s right about this.
Answer his question if you disagree.
What specific question is that, dear? I haven't followed the entire thread here.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:09 am to BugAC
Bro you just double replied to him, I’m pretty sure you’ve been reading his posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:12 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Bro you just double replied to him, I’m pretty sure you’ve been reading his posts
I ventured into the last page of the thread. As i've been debating him on the O-T i found it funny that he is taking the pro-left side on yet another topic, just on that last page.
So, i ask again, specifically, what question of his am i supposed to answer? There was no question asked in the last page, and there are 7 pages to this thread. Post it and i will happily answer the question.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:20 am to NawlinsTiger9
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NawlinsTiger9
Waiting, dear. What question of Slow's am I to answer?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:23 am to BugAC
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I ventured into the last page of the thread.
Then you should see it, homie.
This ain’t hard.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:26 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Then you should see it, homie.
This ain’t hard.
So clearly, you're just a retard who has no idea the "question". As i stated before, i ventured into the last page. These are all of slows posts on the previous page, neither of which included a question.
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Naw. That's the problem with this NPC logic
I reject stupidity. It just so happens this board has a flood of stupid MAGA logic on it that needs to be pointed out.
There aren't many Democrat posters on this board to even post stupid DEM points, FWIW, so don't try that pivot
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Unless the military wants to create a self-fulfilling prophecy like retards.
No, Hegseth is just doing the MAGA fake macho bullshite stuff via social media and hiding behind "referrals" so the apes pound their chest and feel skrong
Again, what question would you like for me to answer? This is the point where you are now getting uncomfortable because you don't really know either, you were just trying to snipe and it failed. As i stated earlier, i will gladly answer any question. Or, since you don't even know what question i am to asnwer, why don't YOU ask whatever question you think i'm bound to fail on, since you are so smart.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:30 am to BugAC
You have literally quoted, more than once, his post that contains his question
I can’t read it for you, bubba.
Oof. So confident and so wrong.
I can’t read it for you, bubba.
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This is the point where you are now getting uncomfortable
Oof. So confident and so wrong.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:36 am to NawlinsTiger9
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You have literally quoted, more than once, his post that contains his question
Which question? I quoted 2 declarative posts. Please cite the question. I want to answer it, i just don't know WTF you are referring to.
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Oof. So confident and so wrong.
I'm literally asking you which question and you can't even reference the page number it is on in this thread. Or, i dont' know, highlight the question and hit the little quote sign.
It's appearing as you are trying the "well if you dont know i'm not gonna tell you" tactic of avoidance. Prove me wrong, post the question and i will gladly answer it. Why would i ask for the question if i was avoiding teh question?
This is a perfect example of the pigeon-chess analogy.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:43 am to NawlinsTiger9
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He's uniquely exposed to military recall among that group of jackasses. If the War Dept does opt for recall, I don't think it will go well for him.
Even the military is bound by law and logic, and he'll just have to repeat this:
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How is telling people to follow the law and Constitution "inciting rebellion or disaffection" against the government?
Unless the military wants to create a self-fulfilling prophecy like retards.
No, Hegseth is just doing the MAGA fake macho bullshite stuff via social media and hiding behind "referrals" so the apes pound their chest and feel skrong
There IS NO QUESTION IN THAT POST from the poster SlowFloPro. His responses are bolded. How do you not understand that? Are you talking about the question that slow quoted that he was responding to? This question that appears to be from NC_tigah?
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How is telling people to follow the law and Constitution "inciting rebellion or disaffection" against the government?
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:46 am to BugAC
Slow is quoting himself, which is abundantly clear by the context.
I told you it was on page 6. I told you it was from SFP. I told you that you had already replied to it. I told you.
Again, this isn’t hard. I have no clue how you made it hard.
I told you it was on page 6. I told you it was from SFP. I told you that you had already replied to it. I told you.
Again, this isn’t hard. I have no clue how you made it hard.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:48 am to KiwiHead
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Better question, how is stating clear language in the UCMJ by a retired member even close to qualifying for a court martial?
Is that all he said?
I think going after him with the UCMJ is pointless and stupid but there's no need to whitewash what he/she said. Trump is misusing the military and the intel agencies, right now. There is an internal threat to the Constitution, right now. They are openly encouraging military members to start resisting.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:54 am to KiwiHead
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how is stating clear language in the UCMJ by a retired member even close to qualifying for a court martial?
Why the need? Does he think those in command aren't doing their job? Are the Seditious Six trying to tell the military that taking out the narco boats are illegal orders?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:56 am to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:"the Government" = system of Government, not tyrannical government agents. Constitutionally speaking it is the right and responsibility of citizens of the United States to forcibly remove such people from our system of government. So said many of the Founders (Thomas Jefferson, etc)
"Seditious Conspiracy" is defined at 18 USC 2384, in relevant part as follows:
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(to) conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:02 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Slow is quoting himself, which is abundantly clear by the context.
It really isn't, because as i said, i just joined this thread today on page 6. Secondly, it's pretty strange for anyone to quote themselves, don't ya think?
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I told you it was on page 6. I told you it was from SFP.
Yes, and as someone who was on page 6, who looked at that post where he was replying to NC_Tigah, i assumed, as most would, that that was an NC_Tigah question.
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Again, this isn’t hard. I have no clue how you made it hard.
Correct, it isn't. You could have just posted the actual question instead of being a tard about it. But, i will answer the question.
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How is telling people to follow the law and Constitution "inciting rebellion or disaffection" against the government?
1) That is not what Kelly stated.
2) Haven't been following this specific instance closely but from AI search:
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Senator Mark Kelly, along with other Democratic lawmakers, urged military service members to disobey unlawful orders in a video, which has led to a Pentagon investigation into potential misconduct. This situation arose after President Trump reacted strongly, calling for the lawmakers to be arrested for what he deemed "seditious behavior."
Kelly left himself wiggle room by saying "disobey unlawful orders". He's a chickenshit, but he needs to clearly state what orders he is referring to that is unloawful.
3) a serviceman does not have the ability to disobey any direct order without facing repurcussions. He may ask for clarity to an order, but the military IS NOT a democracy. Which may be your and Slow's misunderstanding.
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Disobeying a direct order in the military is a serious offense that can lead to significant consequences, both professionally and legally. The military operates on a strict chain of command, and following orders is essential for maintaining discipline, cohesion, and mission success.
When soldiers fail to obey lawful orders from superiors, it can undermine the effectiveness of the entire unit and jeopardize both individual and collective safety. Whether the disobedience is intentional or a result of misunderstanding, the penalties can range from non-judicial punishment to more severe legal consequences, including court-martial.
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A direct order in the Army is a clear, unequivocal command given by a superior to a subordinate that must be followed without question or hesitation. In the military, the structure is hierarchical, meaning orders come from higher-ranking personnel and are expected to be executed promptly and without delay. This is fact and undeniable.
Now, lets wade into Kelly. Kelly acted like a bit of a puss and did not state which orders to disobey. Kelly is a leftist, so the grasp of legal vs. illegal is blurry to the left, but we all acknowledge that leftists generally think anything Trump says is illegal.
So let's assume a soldier disobeys a command from Trump, that has been filtered down to him. That soldier is now facing imprisonment. So what responsibility does Kelly face? Well, as a former service member, he is bound to the UCMJ. Uniform Code of Military Justice
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Who does the UCMJ apply to?
The Uniform Code of Military Justice casts a wide net, covering a range of individuals beyond active-duty personnel. First and foremost, active-duty members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Space Force, and Coast Guard are all subject to the UCMJ. However, its jurisdiction extends to other groups as well.
Reservists are under UCMJ jurisdiction when they are engaged in drill or training functions, and the code remains applicable even during their civilian lives in certain circumstances.
Members of the National Guard are subject to the UCMJ when in federal service, typically during deployment, or when under Title 10 status.
Retired members receiving retirement pay could find themselves accountable under the UCMJ for offenses committed after retirement.
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If you’re a retired service member, you might assume that your days under the UCMJ’s jurisdiction are behind you. However, that’s not necessarily the case. Retired military personnel continue to fall under the UCMJ for specific reasons.
The Legal Boundaries for Retired Service Members
As someone who once wore the uniform, it’s essential to understand how military law continues to influence your life, post-retirement. You receive retirement pay because you are considered to be a part of the Inactive Reserve. This status means you’re still subject to the UCMJ’s scope, which includes:
Convening a court-martial in light of criminal activity
Procedures regarding the apprehension and detention of suspects
Trial and punishments for crimes outlined within the UCMJ
These rules ensure that standards of conduct consistent with military values are upheld, even among those who have transitioned out of active duty.
So it appears, yes. Kelly is still held to the UCMJ, and ultimately, Hegseth can convene a court martial because of Kelly's remarks. Kelly is retired and is still being paid.
This is no different than a former service member committing a crime and being court martialed.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:04 am to NawlinsTiger9
and some more
It appears Kelly forgot he was still bound by UCMJ. Any other questions?
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When the UCMJ Applies to Retirees
Situations where the UCMJ may become relevant for retirees include:
Committing acts that could discredit the armed forces
Offenses that take place on a military installation
Crimes that involve other service members or military property
Being aware of these conditions is critical for retirees to avoid unexpected legal entanglements with military authorities.
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Maintaining Military Discipline Beyond Active Service
Why does this level of jurisdiction extend beyond active duty? The reason is twofold:
Preservation of the military community’s integrity: Retirees often remain involved in military circles and their actions can have ramifications within this community.
Readiness for recall to active duty: In times of need, retirees could be called back to serve. Maintaining UCMJ oversight ensures retirees aren’t involved in conduct unbecoming of service members should they be recalled.
Knowing that you could still be answerable to the UCMJ is crucial for lifelong adherence to the standards expected from military members. Armed with this knowledge, you can navigate your retirement with an informed perspective regarding your obligations to the military justice system.
It appears Kelly forgot he was still bound by UCMJ. Any other questions?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:06 am to Flats
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Trump is misusing the military and the intel agencies, right now.
How so?
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There is an internal threat to the Constitution, right now.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:09 am to BugAC
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How so?
No, I’m saying that’s what they’re claiming. Read the post I responded to. I’m making the point that they said far more than just “don’t obey illegal orders”.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:10 am to Flats
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No, I’m saying that’s what they’re claiming. Read the post I responded to. I’m making the point that they said far more than just “don’t obey illegal orders”.
I got ya, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:17 am to NawlinsTiger9
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NawlinsTiger9
So, currently watching the video in question:
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If tweet fails to load, click here. "This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens."
"You can refuse illegal orders."
So, these former service members are free to say all of this, but they are also subject to recall to service to be court martialed. Unfortunately for them, the commander-in-chief is who the UCMJ ultimately answers to. Now, in typical democrat fashion, they are all lNCREDIBLE COWARDS, because they didn't specifically say which orders to not follow, or which orders they believer were illegal and to not follow. This video was scripted purposefully to be contentious but not specifically seditious.
Now, if all of these leftists would like to clarify their remarks, and tell the service men which orders they shouldn't follow, i'm sure we'll all be glad to listen. But they wont' because they KNOW that if they stated their implication clearly, they WOULD BE IN JAIL FOR TREASON.
So for Nawlins and Slow, your "brave lefties" are pretty pathetic and comical.
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