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re: X sues Media Matters after report about ads next to antisemitic content

Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82693 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:16 pm to
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Not if your intent is to interfere with a contract


You sure?

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Consistent with the protections provided by the First Amendment, many courts have confirmed that a defendant’s motive is irrelevant if the statements made are truthful. See Arntz Contracting Co. v. St. Paul Fire & Marine Ins. Co., 54 Cal. Rptr. 2d 888 (Cal. App. 1st Dist. 1996) (“a true representation does not become wrongful just because the defendant is motivated by a black desire to hurt plaintiff’s business“); C.R. Bard, Inc. v. Wordtronics Corp., 561 A.2d 694 (Law Div. 1989) (“Defendant’s motive is not relevant to the determination of this case. . . . It is not improper to give truthful information to a customer about someone else’s product, and this is so even if the purpose is to interfere with an existing or prospective contractual relationship.”); Worldwide Primates v. McGreal, 26 F.3d 1089, 1092 (11th Cir. Fla. 1994) (“Worldwide could establish no cause of action for interference with its business relationship with Delta when all McGreal did was give Dr. Gerone truthful information.”); Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46, 53 (1988) (“in the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment[;] . . . even when a speaker or writer is motivated by hatred or ill-will, his expression is protected by the First Amendment.”); Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 US 64 (1964) (plaintiff’s “interest in private reputation is overborne by the larger public interest, secured by the Constitution in the dissemination of truth”; “Truth may not be the subject of either civil or criminal sanctions.”); State v. Burnham, 9 N. H. 34, 42-43, 31 Am. Dec. 217, 221 (1837) (“If upon a lawful occasion for making a publication, he has published the truth, and no more, there is no sound principle which can make him liable, even if he was actuated by express malice.”).


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This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:21 pm to
All MM has to do is pull out this old goodie...

MM

Incident isn't isolated to a manufactured account. Additionally, "typical users" have since saved and posted incidences of ads next to antisemitic posts.

Lawsuit is dead.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82693 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:24 pm to
Sitting as an Erie court, Texas law doesn’t look great for X either:
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A look at Baty v. ProTech Ins. Agency, 63 S.W.3d 841, 857 (Tex. App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 2001) illustrates the requisite elements of both. The elements of tortious interference with an existing contract are: (1) the existence of a contract subject to interference; (2) the occurrence of an act of interference that was willful and intentional; (3) the act was a proximate cause of the plaintiff's damage; and (4) actual damage or loss occurred. According to the 14th Court of Appeals in Baty, to establish the element of a willful and intentional act of interference, the plaintiff must show that the defendant was an enthusiastic, willing participant and knowingly induced one of the contracting parties to breach its obligations under the contract. To accomplish this, the plaintiff must produce evidence of the breach of an obligatory provision of the contract. However, this is not a simple proposition to prove in a court of law. Of course, there must be an identifiable contract in existence that was the subject of willful and intentional interference, the results of which caused damages. "To prevail on a tortious-interference claim, a plaintiff must present evidence that the defendants interfered with a specific contract." Funes v. Villatoro, 352 S.W.3d 200, 213 (Tex. App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 2011, pet denied).


I can’t imagine MM specifically singled out the IBM or AT&T contracts with X. It seems Texas law needs specificity. I would also imagine there is a unilateral cancellation provision in the marketing contracts, so did MM really induce a breach? It seems AT&T had a contractual right to pause or cancel the relationship and they exercised it. That’s not a breach.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
10806 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:26 pm to
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All MM has to do is pull out this old goodie...

MM

Incident isn't isolated to a manufactured account. Additionally, "typical users" have since saved and posted incidences of ads next to antisemitic posts.

Lawsuit is dead.


And you SERIOUSLY think that Elon Musk's legal team hasn't already addressed that issue before filing? SERIOUSLY?
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:34 pm to
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And you SERIOUSLY think that Elon Musk's legal team hasn't already addressed that issue before filing? SERIOUSLY?

Legal isn't compromised of engineers, so I know it hasn't addressed the issue.

I also know because I was looking at new examples yesterday and even posted two of them.

DOA
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:42 pm to
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DOA


where did you get your law degree? Must have been somewhere really good to be able to make this determination based solely upon the petition.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:44 pm to
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You're extraordinarily stupid.


That is a badge of honor coming from a complete moron like you.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:45 pm to
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if the statements made are truthful.


The allegation isn’t over veracity of MM statements. It is that they manufactured the situation then wrote about it to pressure advertisers to leave. Pretty big distinction.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:47 pm to
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It seems AT&T had a contractual right to pause or cancel the relationship and they exercised it. That’s not a breach.


I don’t think X is suing AT&T for a breach. They are suing MM for intentional interference with a contract.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82693 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:05 pm to
But the tort is inducing a breach in an existing contract. If AT&T didn’t breach the contract, how can MM be liable?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82693 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:15 pm to
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And you SERIOUSLY think that Elon Musk's legal team hasn't already addressed that issue before filing? SERIOUSLY?


Addressed the issue how? It’s a matter of historical record those things occurred prior to filing the suit. How does the legal team address them?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:21 pm to
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But the tort is inducing a breach in an existing contract. If AT&T didn’t breach the contract, how can MM be liable?


Does interference require inducing a breach in Texas? Or just interference? I honestly don’t know. Id look it up but I’m watching football at 9:20am at a bar in Hawaii! By the way….that half time show sucked!
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82693 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:30 pm to
Seems like it. Interference alone is too nebulous to make actionable.

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According to the 14th Court of Appeals in Baty, to establish the element of a willful and intentional act of interference, the plaintiff must show that the defendant was an enthusiastic, willing participant and knowingly induced one of the contracting parties to breach its obligations under the contract. To accomplish this, the plaintiff must produce evidence of the breach of an obligatory provision of the contract
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:33 pm to
Good info. Now we need to see the contract. And to see if the 14th Court of Appeals is the only court to rule on this.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131126 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:31 pm to
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Helluva assumption. Did you write the algorithm?
Yikes.

Here's a hint --
Algorithms read these two things completely differently:

(1) SlimTigerSlap struggles to understand basic stuff

(2)

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53163 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:45 pm to
I’m beginning to think the Slim dude is a Texridder alter. I didn’t think anyone could compete with Tex’s stupidity, but Slim is making a valiant attempt. All while being completely arrogant in his ignorance. It’s eerily similar.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131126 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 4:14 pm to
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Legal isn't compromised of engineers
Okidoki then
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:46 pm to
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then, if the advertizer resists, threaten to equate, sully, and smear them with the content their ad appeared with
Bump for this, can we link where MM did this or X alleged they did this?
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
10909 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:56 pm to
Hope they made their fatal mistake on this one.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
7674 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:24 pm to
Agreed, and I suspect Muskmalso has a lot more evidence yet to be released.
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