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re: Would FDR turn over in his grave

Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:07 am to
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:07 am to
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That is complete nonsense.



Well that settles it. You've thoroughly discounted it.

Poland and Czechoslovakia were restored to their prewar sovereign form and Eastern Europe wasn't dominated by a despotic, European pariah that threatened the security and freedom of the rest of Western Europe.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 9:08 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:07 am to
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Would FDR turn over in his grave If he saw what Trump was doing to the national monuments?

i think FDR would be more mad that Trump isn't doing enough to enslave our perceived enemies

FDR's ghost is like "travel ban? that's pussy shite"



Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:08 am to
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Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao are more popular on the rant than FDR and Lincoln are.




Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:10 am to
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What prompted this level of hate towards FDR?



as well as his court packing threats, fricking up our USSC and ultimately leading to the leviathan that we have today

FDR truly fricked up our country

before FDR, banning a substance at the federal level required a constitutional amendment to give the federal government the power to regulate it. after FDR, it took an act of Congress. let that sink in
Posted by SoulGlo
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:10 am to
I piss on FDRs grave.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:11 am to
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Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao are more popular on the rant than FDR and Lincoln are.

Well. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Lenin Stalin and Hitler didn't frick up OUR country.


This country starting tanking in the 1950's with the rise of the Military Industrial Complex.

Some of ya'll are stupid as rocks.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:12 am to
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This country starting tanking in the 1950's with the rise of the Military Industrial Complex.

Some of ya'll are stupid as rocks.

All of your arguments have are 1" in depth.

Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:12 am to
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before FDR, banning a substance at the federal level required a constitutional amendment to give the federal government the power to regulate it. after FDR, it took an act of Congress. let that sink in


Can you source that?
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:14 am to
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as well as his court packing threats, fricking up our USSC and ultimately leading to the leviathan that we have today



The man had no qualms with fundamentally undermining our system of checks and balances, in the most blatant and egregious of ways, to further his agenda. Liberals celebrate him. Trump utters that he may or may not accept as legitimate the results of the election, waiting until after it unfolds, liberals explode that he is a threat to American democracy.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:15 am to
I think FDR gets a bit of a bad rap.

Don't get me wrong, I don't AGREE with some of the things he did, but I have to also accept the fact that I have the benefit of hindsight that he simply did not.

If your issue with him is the more Socialist programs he undertook as President, it should be noted that the US had never undergone anything even REMOTELY like the Great Depression. I cannot say I would not have been trying some radical things to get people working and fed and any number of other things, and I'm Libertarian. There's only so many times you can see pictures of starving children before you feel compelled to try SOMETHING.

If the issue is regarding certain stances he took in WWII, I have to point out that every sitting President since WWII has made "deals with the devil" to oust other "devils". WWII was just a bigger stage.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:15 am to
it all started with Wickard v. Filburn, which came down in....1942

the issue was over the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938, signed into law by...FDR

why did all of this come about? FDR's court packing threats. year? 1937

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:15 am to
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The man had no qualms with fundamentally undermining our system of checks and balances, in the most blatant and egregious of ways, to further his agenda. Liberals celebrate him


Because liberals, at their core, are totalitarians.

If they have ANY grips with FDR at all, it's that he didn't undermine freedom enough.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:16 am to
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Because liberals, at their core, are totalitarians


Sounds like conservatives too. Or at least the people conservatives keep electing into office.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:18 am to
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The man had no qualms with fundamentally undermining our system of checks and balances, in the most blatant and egregious of ways, to further his agenda. Liberals celebrate him. Trump utters that he may or may not accept as legitimate the results of the election, waiting until after it unfolds, liberals explode that he is a threat to American democracy.

FDR is the human form of "any means necessary" (except for, you know, preparing for a potential attack by the Japanese)
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:18 am to
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Don't get me wrong, I don't AGREE with some of the things he did, but I have to also accept the fact that I have the benefit of hindsight that he simply did not


That's horse shite. He knew it was wrong at the time. He was told it was wrong at the time. He did it anyway.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:19 am to
The Unacknowledged Lesson: Earl Warren and the Japanese Relocation Controversy
By G. Edward White

[clock] 27-MINUTE READ ISSUE: Autumn 1979

Between February and August 1942, about 112,000 Japanese-Americans were transported from their homes along the Pacific Coast in California, Oregon, and Washington to “relocation centers” in California, Idaho, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arkansas. The Japanese, about two-thirds of whom had been born in America, were housed in these centers until January 1945, when they were officially released. The relocation centers resembled concentration camps: they were enclosed with barbed wire and patrolled by armed guards, privacy and independent family life for the incarcerated Japanese were almost nonexistent, and the daily lives of the Japanese were controlled by their supervisors. The relocation centers were not, however, instruments of genocide or barbarism or even brutality; in this sense the term “concentration camp” incorrectly describes them. The centers did represent, though, the first and only episode in American history in which the United States government forcibly interned American citizens on the basis of their racial and ethnic affiliation.

President Franklin Roosevelt signed the executive order creating the relocation centers, but the principal architects of the relocation program were John J. McCloy, assistant secretary of war, and three U. S. Army officers, Major General Alien W. Gullion, Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt, and Colonel Karl R. Bendesten. In developing the relocation policy these men had the full cooperation and support of Earl Warren, who held the positions of attorney general and governor of California during the Second World War.

In 1971 Earl Warren, having retired as chief justice of the Supreme Court two years earlier, began writing his memoirs. I was a law clerk to Warren at the time, and he asked for my reactions to drafts of the memoirs as they were prepared. Warren’s memoirs, anonymously edited, eventually were published in 1977, three years after his death. For the most part, they were the conventional reminiscences of a public figure. Warren revealed almost no information that was not already available, and in some instances, such as his account of the Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, the famous 1954 case invalidating racial segregation in the public schools, he gave a less than full description of events."

LINK

So Warren was a big player in the internment of the Japanese, and yet he was appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

There is such a thing as considering the time in which historical people lived.

Certainly FDR's order was the worst thing he did. But there was in the country a worse hysteria than there was after 9/11.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:21 am to
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Certainly FDR's order was the worst thing he did.



Not even close.

Because as bad as that was, at least we aren't STILL living with the stupidity of it today.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:21 am to
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Sounds like conservatives too.

hence why you had the TEA Party and the term "cuck"

now it is pardoxical that "cuck" emerged with Trump (who is in no way a small government type). however, Trump is a reaction to the progressives and the RINOs. i see Trump as a "some men want to watch the world burn" (man being the supporter, not Trump) scenario

basically, if you want this leviathan, we're going to support a guy who's going to wield that power in a way you'll hate
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:22 am to
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it all started with Wickard v. Filburn, which came down in....1942



FDR wasn't on the Supreme Court.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:22 am to
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FDR wasn't on the Supreme Court.

did you just stop reading after that sentence?

keep on going...you can do it...
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