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re: Would anyone have died today if the left didn't try to silence freedom of assembly?

Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:38 pm to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:38 pm to
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i mean, i know I've insulted you all night

but you did add .com right


Still didn't go through. Now are you going to talk all night or you want to dance, boy?
Posted by bonhoeffer45
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:38 pm to
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Interesting premise you are setting up. So people can show up to a hate and vitriol filled blm or antifa protest and violently counter protest and you will be ok with it?



Try reading that again.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:42 pm to
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Still didn't go through. Now are you going to talk all night or you want to dance, boy?



lie

and your mixing of western movie quotes is repulsive
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:42 pm to
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your implication being that Americans should just stand by while masses of citizens advocate ethnic cleansing and spew hatred toward their fellow citizens? That because those racists may act out in violence, those against them have an obligation to stay silent.


And there it is! Everyone look at the true fascist of this board, Mr Bonehuffer!

Nobody has knighted for these racist people yesterday and today. In fact, everyone has condemned them. What we have attempted to let bonehuffer and his ilk on, is that no matter how much you don't like someone's speech; it's their right to say it.

But not in bone huffer's world. In bone huffer's world there is such thing as hate "speech" and that is dangerous in bone huffer's world because it hurts his feels.

But bone huffer is a fascist who adamantly opposes differing views by silencing others as fascists!



Who's the piece of shite now?
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 11:43 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:42 pm to
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Still didn't go through. Now are you going to talk all night or you want to dance, boy?



Not only are a you a piece of shite, apparently you are a temperamental loser as well. Someone that is so triggered by online discussions you want to travel somewhere to fight them.

Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:43 pm to
Define inciting violence. Because based on the definition you just listed, you're essentially saying that anything I or anyone else says you don't agree with, is grounds for inciting violence and should be met with the response we saw today from ANTIFA. What a ridiculous sentiment. I'll ask you again, did the Nazi's hold a protest last night with no violence or property damage or not? You know that they did but won't admit it because otherwise your argument turns to shite.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:43 pm to
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Try reading that again.


I did. You are saying violence at protests you don't like is acceptable.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:43 pm to
In fairness, I think I'm supposed to go there for the fight
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:44 pm to
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karla


Little doubt.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:44 pm to
I can't remember if it was actually the Westboro Baptists, or a copy cat, but I saw the same group make an appearance in Boston, and again at UVa.

The scene in Boston was something else. Anger. Yelling, screaming. Protestors crashing the police line. Trying to get at the WBC. I remember how excited people were. They were going to get them.

At UVa?

Their rep stood in the amphitheater as people walked by, ignoring him. I don't think he lasted an hour.

Starved of the attention he desired, he packed his bag, and moved on.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:44 pm to
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You know that they did but won't admit it because otherwise you


He hasn't argued the OP. He has simply tried to silence people's beliefs of the US Constitution because it follows his fascist ideology.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:45 pm to
In somewhat curious, where are you from?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:47 pm to
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He has simply tried to silence people's beliefs of the US Constitution because it follows his fascist ideology.




You claim to want to fight someone because they were mean to you.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:49 pm to
WOuld anyone have died today of the right did not plow into counter protesters?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:50 pm to
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WOuld anyone have died today of the right did not plow into counter protesters?



Start your own thread and ask that question.

But the answer I would give is, had the left not shown up to silence dissent, than no one would have died.

It's really that simple. I don't know why it's hard to understand.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:51 pm to
I don't agree with anything the Nazi's said today or last night. That doesn't mean I want government to suddenly decide morality and what is or isn't allowed speech. The reaction from everyone not supportive of ANTIFA and ANTIFA themselves regarding the message of the Nazi's is exactly how it should be.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:52 pm to
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Nobody has knighted for these racist people yesterday and today. In fact, everyone has condemned them. What we have attempted to let bonehuffer and his ilk on, is that no matter how much you don't like someone's speech; it's their right to say it.



Until they incite violence or engage in unlawful assembly, yes, it is their right. No one has ever said otherwise.

The issue here is you attempting to blame the actions of the aggressor on the people who are also using their constitutional rights. As if those speech rights only exist selectively and applied relativistically. As if free speech means free from counter speech.

See, to take an example, you were called a racist. In response you threatened violence. Only one person has crossed a line here. But in your warped mind, you would be blaming the person you wish to assault. Since if they just shut up and let you say what you wanted to say without vocal interference, you wouldn't be forced to punch them. Thankfully our founders and the criminal justice system in any state disagrees with your warped outlook. And it is why James Alex likely faces second degree murder charges and the counter-protestors that merely stood by before being plowed into will not.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:54 pm to
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I don't agree with anything the Nazi's said today or last night. That doesn't mean I want government to suddenly decide morality and what is or isn't allowed speech. The reaction from everyone today regarding the message of the Nazi's today is exactly how it should be.


I agree. And it's EXACTLY what I've been saying for the last 10 pages.

But they cannot accept the fact that the left showing up with no permit to assemble, to infringe on the rights of others was what caused the tragedy today.

But they will try to silence you by calling you a POS, NAZI sympathizer, and whatever else crosses their minds.

It's a very dangerous game they are playing. And no matter how much I disagreed with Colin Kaepernick sitting down, I respected his right to do so.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:57 pm to
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In somewhat curious, where are you from?



Born in Richmond, grew up in Midlothian(50 minutes from Charlottesville), moved to Colorado half way through school, moved again and finished school in New Orleans, graduated LSU and have moved around a few times since for job opportunities and furthering my education along the way.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:57 pm to
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But they cannot accept the fact that the left showing up with no permit to assemble, to infringe on the rights of others was what caused the tragedy today.



Dude

Couldn't the guy who murdered someone just, you know, not have fricking murdered someone?

Isn't that the most direct causation argument?
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 11:58 pm
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