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re: Wikileaks schools NPR, beats NPR like a rented mule

Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:49 pm to
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Holy shite man. Our IC's positions are all based on Crowdstrike's investigation and findings.


Not true.

You should realize that IC were watching the first DNC hackers well before the DNC or CrowdStrike knew about it. Like almost a year before. Gang of 8 was briefed on it.

There was an article going around on this board last week about an email/memo discussing Lynch and the Clinton investigation (based on a NYT report). How do you think the FBI got that document?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:51 pm to
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John McClane

So.

I first posted to you on page 19.

We are on page 23 now.

Is there any evidence in the intervening pages to indicate you shouldn't have just listened to me on page 19?
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:53 pm to
Keep playing semantics. It doesn't make you seem clever.

The reports show motive, not actual evidence. I'm patiently waiting for that evidence.

Once again, you've taken about a dozen dumps on the source: can you refute the content/allegations within? Continually shitting on the source without challenging the content is quite telling.

Here is another source I'm sure you will shite on LINK


Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:53 pm to
No
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:54 pm to
I'm aware of that.

You should realize that only Crowdstrike actually inspected the DNC server.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:56 pm to
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No



Cool

So. Your choice. But, like I told you. Page 27 will look the exact same. And, if you're that bored, so will page 100.

Just sayin
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:56 pm to
Thanks. I'm going to bed
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:58 pm to
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Keep playing semantics. It doesn't make you seem clever.


Use the right words. There's a significant difference between what you first posted and what you finally admitted was accurate.

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The reports show motive, not actual evidence. I'm patiently waiting for that evidence.


You claimed the assessment was based solely on an outsourced forensic analysis of the servers. You've since backed away from that. We're finished with that point.

quote:

Once again, you've taken about a dozen dumps on the source: can you refute the content/allegations within? Continually shitting on the source without challenging the content is quite telling.


Once again, I don't need to. It's also quite telling that you know better than to try defending your source.

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Here is another source I'm sure you will shite on LINK


Breitbart?

You're fricking with me now...

Have a good night. This was fun.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32721 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:59 pm to
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You should realize that only Crowdstrike actually inspected the DNC server.


That really is immaterial. The NSA doesn't need that server. Again, they knew about it for about a year before CrowdStrike became involved. They took copies of DNC and related documents from Russian servers after they had already been stolen.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:01 pm to
I haven't admitted shite. You've already said that even if Crowdstrike's report was complete bullshite, it wouldn't matter.

And once again, you posted no evidence. Pretty much confirming the weakness of the IC's "high confidence" position.

Have a good one.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:05 pm to
No, they knew about some prior attempts by some possible Russian state actors.

That doesn't mean whoever did the DNC hack was the same.

Also, Russian servers doesn't mean Russian state actors.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:08 pm to
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I haven't admitted shite.


Well, that's unfortunate because you seemed to have figured it out.

quote:

Ok, change "entirely based" to "substantially based"...

"Based in part"?



quote:

You've already said that even if Crowdstrike's report was complete bullshite, it wouldn't matter.


Right, because it wouldn't. Not for my point.

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And once again, you posted no evidence.


Sure I have. The reporting that you claim to have read is evidence that the analysis of the servers isn't the only information being considered.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32721 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:09 pm to
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U.S. intelligence officials told top congressional leaders a year ago that Russian hackers were attacking the Democratic Party, three sources familiar with the matter said on Thursday, but the lawmakers were unable to tell the targets about the hacking because the information was so secret.

The disclosure of the Top Secret information would have revealed that U.S. intelligence agencies were continuing to monitor the hacking, as well as the sensitive intelligence sources and the methods they were using to do it.

The material was marked with additional restrictions and assigned a unique codeword, limiting access to a small number of officials who needed to know that U.S. spy agencies had concluded that two Russian intelligence agencies or their proxies were targeting the Democratic National Committee, the central organizing body of the Democratic Party.

The National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies sometimes delay informing targets of foreign intelligence activities under similar circumstances, officials have said.


LINK

We pay the NSA way too much money to be reliant on someone else's hardware.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:10 pm to
Once again; that info goes to motive and doesn't exclude alternative actors. But you know this.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:12 pm to
So what? It's still used in their assessment, which shows your original statement to be incorrect.

Just back off of it. It's weird not to at this point. You had it right not that long ago, then decided to backpedal.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:13 pm to
We agree on that.

However, that does not prove that those hackers the NSA was monitoring were the ones who successfully hacked the DNC.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:14 pm to
I have no problem backing off of "entirely based"

You simply have failed to provide the other bases.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32721 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:19 pm to
There were two APTs on the DNC system. Those are the two that were monitored by the NSA and later kicked off by CrowdStrike.

There's never been evidence or any indication whatsoever of any other APT on their system.

Why are you fighting this so hard?
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 11:21 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:23 pm to
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I have no problem backing off of "entirely based"


All you needed to do several pages ago.

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You simply have failed to provide the other bases.


That's not correct.

Where do you think the information in that reporting comes from? Surely you don't think you've read the entirety of it, correct? What is your impression of our history with Russia in this domain?

Decatur has provided some solid info.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37180 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:26 pm to
Because it appears Crowdstrike's investigation and therefore conclusions are highly flawed.

I'm totally open to it being Russia. It's the most plausible scenario. It's just not open and shut at this point. What can I say, I like evidence.
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