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re: Why is the country/this board so polarized?

Posted on 7/12/14 at 5:11 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 5:11 am to
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Of course they do NC, but I think your analogy was to the courtroom behavior, i.e. the lawyers. At least that was the premise of my remark.
Exactly.

Think of politicians as lawyers (because for the most part they are). Their clients are the 1% (soaked, you-didn't-build-that), the 47% (wealth-gap deprived), and everyone in between.

Americans are divided into categories and labeled. Then they are addressed gloriously by one group of politicians, while being derisively demeaned by another. For the politicians, it's all banter. For their targets (the 1%, the 47%, and everyone in between), it's personal.

While politicians enjoy a beer together at the end of a glorious immigration debate, a rancher's South Texas family is held at gunpoint by cartel coyotes transporting underage girls to be used in ElPaso brothels. It's very personal for the rancher and those immigrants.

If a politician tells me I didn't build the business that I did in fact build, I'm going to take that personally. When he tells me "somebody else did that for me," I'm going to take that very personally.

Politicians will go at it tooth and nail, then when the debate is over they'll have a drink together. They don't take it personally. For the rest of America, it can be quite a different story.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 5:23 am
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 8:38 am to
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Why is the country/this board so polarized?

Rush Limbaugh showed that the politics of hatred and greed could be profitable.

Before Rush there had been a steady increase in the civil rights and economic stations of minorities... much, yes, at government expense. The trend had been affirmative action and assistance toward equality, and it had become unseemly to appear to be uncompassionate or on the wrong side of history.

Rush unleashed the pent up anger of old white folks who didn't want to be a part of that sort of help. He made money. The practice exploded. The invective had to be ratcheted up to remain competitive.

Now, right wingers comprise the majority of political talk radio listeners or political talk forum posters, clearly not that they're the majority of the general population but that they have a greater need for such dialogues.

Rightwingers don't use the media in the same way leftwingers do. For rightwingers, the news media is an extension of their own philosophies, a support group that buttresses opinions they know deep down don't withstand critical or humanitarian scrutiny. For wingnuts, the media is a church, and it's no coincidence that actual church goers are statistically more inclined to listen to political radio or TV. It's no accident that evolution deniers and science deniers and new math opponents and greed-guilty people congregate in support groups... denial is a difficult thing to maintain.

Leftwingers, on the other hand, accept news and talk for what it should be: an information source. We have less of a need for attaboys from our peers, we have more courage in our convictions.








Posted by TT9
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:19 am to
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Leftwingers, on the other hand, accept news and talk for what it should be: an information source. We have less of a need for attaboys from our peers, we have more courage in our convictions.

spot on.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135614 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:24 am to
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Leftwingers, on the other hand, accept news and talk for what it should be: an information source. We have less of a need for attaboys from our peers, we have more courage in our convictions.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76602 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:49 am to
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Now, right wingers comprise the majority of political talk radio listeners or political talk forum posters, clearly not that they're the majority of the general population but that they have a greater need for such dialogues.
Political talk radio is heavily skewed Republican, but radio is a dying breed supported by the older generations. As for political forums, that is a fallacious argument. This political forum is, but it is not the norm on the internet. I'm not sure as to the exact breakdown, but it is either 50/50 or skewed slightly left.
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Leftwingers, on the other hand, accept news and talk for what it should be: an information source. We have less of a need for attaboys from our peers, we have more courage in our convictions.


Sometimes, I wonder why I even waste the time responding to your posts.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11021 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:44 am to
The right has discovered there's good money to be made with a right-wing media industry in talk radio, fox news, websites, books, magazines and the like.

They've created an industry like pornography. It is consumed for immediate gratification and always needing to push things further to continue to get more consumers because what was exciting or new before is now the same old hat. it's why you see Rush, Glenn Beck, and Ann Coulter continue to say more outrageous things. They have to push it to the extreme and say things that haven't been said before and do things that haven't been done before.

Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:48 am to
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Think of politicians as lawyers (because for the most part they are). Their clients are the 1% (soaked, you-didn't-build-that), the 47% (wealth-gap deprived), and everyone in between.

Americans are divided into categories and labeled. Then they are addressed gloriously by one group of politicians, while being derisively demeaned by another. For the politicians, it's all banter. For their targets (the 1%, the 47%, and everyone in between), it's personal.

While politicians enjoy a beer together at the end of a glorious immigration debate, a rancher's South Texas family is held at gunpoint by cartel coyotes transporting underage girls to be used in ElPaso brothels. It's very personal for the rancher and those immigrants.

If a politician tells me I didn't build the business that I did in fact build, I'm going to take that personally. When he tells me "somebody else did that for me," I'm going to take that very personally.

Politicians will go at it tooth and nail, then when the debate is over they'll have a drink together. They don't take it personally. For the rest of America, it can be quite a different story.


Pretty good stuff right here.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4505 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:48 am to
I think it is too easy just to blame it on the politicians NC. It is more than that.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76602 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:57 am to
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They've created an industry like pornography. It is consumed for immediate gratification and always needing to push things further to continue to get more consumers because what was exciting or new before is now the same old hat. it's why you see Rush, Glenn Beck, and Ann Coulter continue to say more outrageous things. They have to push it to the extreme and say things that haven't been said before and do things that haven't been done before.
I swear, the partisanship and blatant bias is simply unbecoming of you, Ralph.

The fact that you believe what you just wrote is attributable to only Republicans is not a surprise though.

Your posts are just too predictable now and they've become boring.
Posted by Bayou Sam
Istanbul
Member since Aug 2009
5921 posts
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:35 am to
The Left has plenty of nuts. But conscientious people on the Right need to face the fact that none of these nuts have nearly the influence of the Limbaughs, Becks, Coulters, etc. of the world. These people make millions doing nothing but playing on people's anger and fear.

It's also just a fact that in terms of polarization, the Republican party in the last 20 years has gone further astray from the center than the Democratic party. You can see it in voting patterns in Congress.
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