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re: Why Have Nukes
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:37 am to Pvt Hudson
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:37 am to Pvt Hudson
Good lord this guy.
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:40 am to Pvt Hudson
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What part of Iran indiscriminately lobbing hundreds of missiles into a city of civilians doesn’t mitigate a response by Israel to obliterate the threat?
I wish the Middle East would use nukes and wipe each other out. The Middle East has always been and will always be a plague. They serve no purpose in the world other than to cause problems for themselves and everyone else.
Bunch of low IQ subhuman trash who belong in 2000 BC.
Imagine the dumbest extremist on either side that you know. Multiply it by 100. That’s the Middle East, outside of Israel.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:14 pm to antibarner
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We could and should have hit Tora Bora the Afghan Poppy Fields the Terrorist Camps and any other targets of opportunity with nuclear weapons after 9-11. We had been hit by an attempted decapitation strike that did enormous damage to a major city and in our Capital.. We were justified in any level of response. We would have gotten Bin Laden right away. No one would have dared said anything. and the American People would have stood united behind it. The world would have gotten the message the gloves were off. Many good men and women would be alive and whole today because we never would have gone into that worthless place.
MIC doesn’t make money this way though
Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:15 pm to Giantkiller
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Why Have Nukes if you won’t use them?
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I think that's kind of the point.
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 12:18 pm to Pvt Hudson
The threat of using them is all that’s needed
Ultimately that thread supports the value of our dollar
Ultimately that thread supports the value of our dollar
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:00 pm to TDsngumbo
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It'd be nice if Israel and America had bombs that are equally as destructive as a nuke but without the fallout.
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The MOAB
The MOAB is the most powerful conventional bomb ever used in combat as measured by the weight of its explosive material. The explosive yield is comparable to that of the smallest tactical nuclear weapons, such as the Cold War-era American M-388 projectile fired by the portable Davy Crockett recoilless gun.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:05 pm to Pvt Hudson
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Why Have Nukes ... If you won’t use them?
Why have poison in your house if you won't drink it?
Why have a gun in your house if you don't use it?
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:08 pm to Pvt Hudson
Countries have nukes to passively but purposefully persuade other countries with nukes not to use theirs.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:20 pm to Pvt Hudson
I hope you have never complained or will never complain about any country committing a war crime if you think preemptive use of nuclear weapons is an acceptable act.
The better move would be that no country ever uses nuclear weapons again because it is beyond moronic due to its existential threat to all humanity and due to its undeniable barbarity as a weapon that will annihilate civilian populations en mass. Legitimizing their usage for anything other than deterrence and a necessary retaliation to thwart an enemy from continuing or expanding their preemptive nuclear strike is criminal and utterly immoral.
The better move would be that no country ever uses nuclear weapons again because it is beyond moronic due to its existential threat to all humanity and due to its undeniable barbarity as a weapon that will annihilate civilian populations en mass. Legitimizing their usage for anything other than deterrence and a necessary retaliation to thwart an enemy from continuing or expanding their preemptive nuclear strike is criminal and utterly immoral.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:32 pm to deltaland
They may not, but my case for their use back then is sound and more than justified. Had we done so there would have been no retaliation, hell the Russians probably cheer us on.
Not to mention we never get involved in a multi year no win mess where a lot of blood and treasure are expended, for nothing.
Criminal? Immoral? What was 9-11? A camp meeting?
Not to mention we never get involved in a multi year no win mess where a lot of blood and treasure are expended, for nothing.
Criminal? Immoral? What was 9-11? A camp meeting?
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:50 pm to antibarner
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We could and should have hit Tora Bora the Afghan Poppy Fields the Terrorist Camps and any other targets of opportunity with nuclear weapons after 9-11.
We had been hit by an attempted decapitation strike that did enormous damage to a major city and in our Capital.. We were justified in any level of response.
We would have gotten Bin Laden right away. No one would have dared said anything. and the American People would have stood united behind it. The world would have gotten the message the gloves were off. Many good men and women would be alive and whole today because we never would have gone into that worthless place.
This is how peace makes people soft.
There's many of us on here old enough to remember the cold war, and the lessons from it.
Those young enough not to remember it aren't properly taught those lessons.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:19 pm to antibarner
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They may not, but my case for their use back then is sound and more than justified. Had we done so there would have been no retaliation, hell the Russians probably cheer us on.
Not to mention we never get involved in a multi year no win mess where a lot of blood and treasure are expended, for nothing.
Criminal? Immoral? What was 9-11? A camp meeting?
AB- your heart is in the right place. And some of your sentiment, is as well. I have friends and acquaintances that are forever fricked up, because of the sequence of history from 9/11.
The flaw tho, is not understanding the consequences involved. Or understanding just how deeply sentiment is against us, abroad.
You used an example of Russia cheering for us if we did it. No sir. Not at all. Russia would have reacted with threats of firing them right down our throats.
The UN (God I hate those frickers) and NATO would immediately condemn us.
We would set more people against us. And potentially start a cataclysmic shooting war between ourselves, Russia, AND China.
Without understanding that, you said we'd avoid a no win situation.
Sir, wed create a no win situation on a global scale.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:54 pm to Wolfwireless
How very wrong you are. Right after 9-11? We had just been struck in the manner we were? NO ONE would have dared said anything bud, had we nuked that hellhole.
We would have been fully justified in any response we chose.
We would have been fully justified in any response we chose.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 7:18 pm to antibarner
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How very wrong you are. Right after 9-11? We had just been struck in the manner we were? NO ONE would have dared said anything bud, had we nuked that hellhole.
We would have been fully justified in any response we chose.
Ok. So for the record we both agree about 9/11. And most likely have commonality about how we each feel about that attack.
I've made posts here about how I think we should/should have bombed a lot of that area back into the stone age. And 20 years ago, I was shouting to turn that area into a glass factory. So I feel ya!
What I've learned over the years tho is that anytime a country even starts to think about using the nuclear option, the rest of the world starts to pucker their sphincters.
And things between us and Russia were sooo much different back then. There was still quite a bit of cold war mentality on both sides.
I know a lot of things seem different today. But I honestly think that back then Russia would have happily taken the chance to fire on us.
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