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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:14 pm to Iosh
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:14 pm to Iosh
"Stop hiding behind women and children!"
So, a predominantly white American police force raids an innercity black ghetto notorious for storing its stolen firearms and murder weapons in section 8 homes with many single mothers and children who have little to say in the matter without running the risk of death or violence for resisting or refusing to allow the thugs to store guns and drugs in the homes.
The city policemen murder 900 of these innercity people and raze the place indiscriminantly and later gentrify the section 8 homes by moving into the bombed out hoods and rebuilding on the graves of these welfare mothers and all their mostly illegitimate children. When the chief of police is interviewed, the one who gave the orders to pulverize everything within the slum, he states that it's the gangs' and thugs' fault for the death toll reaching 900 and that the force has no intention of giving up until all future residential thug children are eliminated.
Would this ever take place in modern American times?
Would many people on internet political forums justify the police force's slaughtering of a ghetto region with a death toll that consisted of 75% non-perpetrators or criminals? Chances are this would never be tolerated in any modern Western country.
So, a predominantly white American police force raids an innercity black ghetto notorious for storing its stolen firearms and murder weapons in section 8 homes with many single mothers and children who have little to say in the matter without running the risk of death or violence for resisting or refusing to allow the thugs to store guns and drugs in the homes.
The city policemen murder 900 of these innercity people and raze the place indiscriminantly and later gentrify the section 8 homes by moving into the bombed out hoods and rebuilding on the graves of these welfare mothers and all their mostly illegitimate children. When the chief of police is interviewed, the one who gave the orders to pulverize everything within the slum, he states that it's the gangs' and thugs' fault for the death toll reaching 900 and that the force has no intention of giving up until all future residential thug children are eliminated.
Would this ever take place in modern American times?
Would many people on internet political forums justify the police force's slaughtering of a ghetto region with a death toll that consisted of 75% non-perpetrators or criminals? Chances are this would never be tolerated in any modern Western country.
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:16 pm to Iosh
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Do you think Hinduism and Buddhism and Chinese folk religion is inherently more peaceful?
Without a doubt.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:18 pm to NikolaiJakov
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Want to see what the world would be like without western religions? Read up on China under Mao or the USSR under Stalin.
The lack of religion doesn't mean it has to result in totalitarianism.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:19 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Do you think Hinduism and Buddhism and Chinese folk religion is inherently more peaceful?
Without a doubt.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Prove me wrong.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:20 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Prove me wrong
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:21 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:You should probably read more history then. The notion that Eastern religions are inherently pacifist is a fiction. Ask a Sikh in Punjab, or a Muslim in Burma, or anyone in Sri Lanka. And how much pure Daoism do you think is actually practiced in China? In practice it is mostly a patina for the Chinese folk religion.
Yes I think the the majority are. Daoism is the most peaceful and logical among these IMO.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:23 pm to Burt Reynolds
People, give Burt the benefit of the doubt.
Remember, he's an Israeli/Palestinian expert now because he spent 1 week in that region.
The dude is an expert.
Remember, he's an Israeli/Palestinian expert now because he spent 1 week in that region.
The dude is an expert.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:24 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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The lack of religion doesn't mean it has to result in totalitarianism.
No it doesn't. The US is becoming less religious each generation. This board isn't the best representation of that. Remember we are in the Bible Belt. And yes many Americans do not understand the Israeli-Palastinian conflict. Fact is though there is plenty of blame on both sides. Hamas and Zionists are just two extremes on either end of the spectrum. Always hard for there to be peace between extremists.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:25 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Meh, I've got to go sacrifice a virgin to my penis. Maybe later.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:26 pm to Navytiger74
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So the world needs religion in order to keep our ethical integrity? Without religion, would every country be like the ussr and china?
I think his point was that nothing in history suggests that getting rid of religion would somehow usher in a more peaceful era. Most war deaths can be attributed to conflicts over ideology, ethnicity/tribalism, land, resources, etc--not religion.
And I'll add to that that most genocides took place where religion, especially Christianity, was absent, and in some cases, prohibited.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:26 pm to wfeliciana
Up vote my friend. 
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:28 pm to wfeliciana
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The US is becoming less religious each generation. This board isn't the best representation of that.
Do you read this board? The percentage of atheist/agnostic people on this board is much higher than what you will find in the general population... Certainly for the regulars at least.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:30 pm to Burt Reynolds
The Three Oaths isn't in the Torah. It's in the Talmud, a separate religious text that contains the many laws of the religion and developed separately from the Torah and the works of the prophets. The Talmud is an interpretation of those writings and is itself, open for interpretation, hence the disagreements between different tenants of the faith. Think of the Torah as the Bible and the Talmud as the Vatican Law. While much of it stems from the text, much of it is interpretations of the text, or just extra stuff added for no reason.
Besides that, the 3 Oaths WERE ALREADY FULFILLED. The exile referred to in the 3 Oaths is the Babylonian Exile, where God told the Israelites not to rebel against their masters because God would provide for them and allow them to return. When Babylon was conquered by Persia (an Empire that championed self-rule of its territories and religious freedom for its conquered citizens), the Isrealites were released from captivity by King Cyrus the Great, referred to by the Jewish prophet Isiah as God's messiah. The Jewish Kingdoms were reestablished on their return to the Holy Land for centuries before the Romans took over.
Therefore, the 3 Oaths really does not apply in this situation.
Besides that, the 3 Oaths WERE ALREADY FULFILLED. The exile referred to in the 3 Oaths is the Babylonian Exile, where God told the Israelites not to rebel against their masters because God would provide for them and allow them to return. When Babylon was conquered by Persia (an Empire that championed self-rule of its territories and religious freedom for its conquered citizens), the Isrealites were released from captivity by King Cyrus the Great, referred to by the Jewish prophet Isiah as God's messiah. The Jewish Kingdoms were reestablished on their return to the Holy Land for centuries before the Romans took over.
Therefore, the 3 Oaths really does not apply in this situation.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:32 pm to wfeliciana
quote:"Zionists" aren't the extremists opposite Hamas. Zionists just think there should be a Jewish state. It's possible to be both Zionist and support a Palestinian state as well. The extremists are Likud and the parties to the right of them who think everything from Jordan to the sea should be a Jewish state, which is pretty much the mirror image of the Hamas doctrine.
No it doesn't. The US is becoming less religious each generation. This board isn't the best representation of that. Remember we are in the Bible Belt. And yes many Americans do not understand the Israeli-Palastinian conflict. Fact is though there is plenty of blame on both sides. Hamas and Zionists are just two extremes on either end of the spectrum. Always hard for there to be peace between extremists.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:33 pm to Iosh
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Yes I think the the majority are. Daoism is the most peaceful and logical among these IMO. You should probably read more history then. The notion that Eastern religions are inherently pacifist is a fiction. Ask a Sikh in Punjab, or a Muslim in Burma, or anyone in Sri Lanka. And how much pure Daoism do you think is actually practiced in China? In practice it is mostly a patina for the Chinese folk religion.
I'm not doubting you but please provide examples of Buddhist or daoist cruelty and persecution of other religions or people? I don't doubt Hindus. They discriminate to a higher extent but that has more to do with Indian culture instead of religion.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:33 pm to Yat27
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Do you read this board? The percentage of atheist/agnostic people on this board is much higher than what you will find in the general population... Certainly for the regulars at least.
Yes I do read it and I don't agree with you Yat27.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:34 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Because is we reject their Religion...they won't give us the choice between punishing us with a tax on our Religion...or rejecting theirs and getting our heads cut off.
Buck up, BR. Israel is doing the dirty work that this Nation won't. At least until we are unmercifully hammered.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:35 pm to kingbob
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Therefore, the 3 Oaths really does not apply in this situation.
Thousands of Orthodox Jews disagree. See OP.
What can you guarantee? Another ten minute google spree
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:37 pm to Burt Reynolds
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I don't doubt Hindus. They discriminate to a higher extent but that has more to do with Indian culture instead of religion
Bingo. Daoism is more of a peaceful life philosophy than an organized religion. It can't even be compared to the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity and Islam over the centuries.
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