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re: Why do we assume this net neutrality issue will primarily target consumers?

Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109788 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:09 pm to
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Why support something that goes against their own interest


I don't necessarily see that it does.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:10 pm to
The fear is that the big sites will just toss in the towel and raise prices.

Not sure that can work for Youtube so I imagine Google will go nuclear if they try to increase prices and throttle speeds.

Netflix could cave and raise prices but I don't see that happening because they are about to lose a pile of content with Disney / FOX so they can't have less and charge more. They will raise hell if ISPs start abusing the system.

I have no doubt ISPs will try to abuse the system and for the time being I actually believe the market will blast them. If I'm wrong, it is never too late to vote again on a regulation.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:12 pm to
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Also if more and more people start streaming and it uses more bandwidth who pays for that?


ISPs aren't running into issues with bandwith yet, despite their absurd data caps. I don't have a problem with charging folks more for high internet speeds, but I've got a major problem with dictating how I use that bandwith and how much I use of it during a month.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35795 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:14 pm to
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Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites, that will work itself out in the wash, so to speak?


I see something similar to when satellite companies negotiate with local broadcast providers. The channel goes away until they come to an agreement and eventually either your bill goes up or other channels are dropped from the lineup.
Posted by MoroccoMole
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
334 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:15 pm to
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Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites, that will work itself out in the wash, so to speak?


Some places only have access to one ISP, and that is where the big issue lies. Private companies monopolizing areas is not uncommon, but now they are legally able to charge you more to visit certain sites.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109788 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:17 pm to
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Some places only have access to one ISP, and that is where the big issue lies. Private companies monopolizing areas is not uncommon, but now they are legally able to charge you more to visit certain sites.




I don't know how this addresses the question.
Posted by MoroccoMole
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
334 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:20 pm to
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I don't know how this addresses the question.


The question of whether or not it will target the consumers? Having a monopoly and abusing it directly targets consumers.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109788 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:23 pm to
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Having a monopoly and abusing it directly targets consumers.


If the tangential effects are more costly, there won't be an incentive to "abuse" it. It seems like they could be in this instance.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:27 pm to
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but I've got a major problem with dictating how I use that bandwith and how much I use of it during a month.


Regarding how much is used per month - cell companies base all their rate plans on this. Why haven't the pro-NN people gone after them?
Posted by Boudreaux in SF
silicon valley
Member since May 2005
530 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:44 pm to
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Netflix could cave and raise prices but I don't see that happening because they are about to lose a pile of content with Disney / FOX so they can't have less and charge more. They will raise hell if ISPs start abusing the system.


Netflix already is raising prices. Got an email on Monday stating price is increasing.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60838 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:55 pm to
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, but I've got a major problem with dictating how I use that bandwith and how much I use of it during a month


What about next generation technology. What incentive is there in a NN world to build better networks? I mean if the ISP has such monopoly power they will 100% start throttling sites they don’t like or who won’t pay them more why would they ever improve or expand their networks?
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