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Why do we assume this net neutrality issue will primarily target consumers?

Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:45 pm
Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites, that will work itself out in the wash, so to speak?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:50 pm to
The consumer is going to pay either way

fast lanes for content through your ISP or your content provider charging more bc the added cost to make sure your ISP doesn't degrade their content.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:51 pm to
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Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites, that will work itself out in the wash, so to speak?


With respect to net neutrality alone, consumers lose without it.

Basically every major player on the internet today would have hell getting started without net neutrality. In order to throttle speeds in real time, you have to monitor data in real time, and that capability has only been around for a decade or so. In the 1990s and early/mid 2000s, it wasn't even possible, so net neutrality was the default.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:52 pm to
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The consumer is going to pay either way


Not if it risks effecting Google, Facebook, Netflix, etc., I wouldn't think.
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:52 pm to
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Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites
Don't you think that would ultimately end up having the content user pay more?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:53 pm to
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Don't you think that would ultimately end up having the content user pay more?


No, not necessarily.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:54 pm to
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Not if it risks effecting Google, Facebook, Netflix, etc., I wouldn't think.


They are the content

ISPs are the gateway to content and are about to hold it hostage if they want too.
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:56 pm to
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No, not necessarily.
OK, and that's fine if you think that, but I'm not going to trust that it won't happen, when it already did
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:56 pm to
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ISPs are the gateway to content and are about to hold it hostage if they want too.


Hence, my belief that this is where the actual fight will lie, if anyone wants to make it one.

At the end of the day, I can't see how it would be in either's interests to hold the actual consumers hostage.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:57 pm to
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The consumer is going to pay either way


yet you support higher corporate taxes.

you literally are the definition of an imbecile,
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:57 pm to
Its the internet. Its needed in this day and age to do anything. You cant really live without it
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:58 pm to
Who "needs" who more?
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:59 pm to
You will pay them because they are going to be the only people who provide internet.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Isn't the big battle here more likely between ISPs and the big internet sites, that will work itself out in the wash, so to speak?


The agreements have been made between the Big Six. It will be the consumer and independent thought on the internet at large that will be destroyed.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:00 pm to
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The agreements have been made between the Big Six. It will be the consumer and independent thought on the internet at large that will be destroyed.



I don't know what this means.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:02 pm to
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yet you support higher corporate taxes.


proof

I have never said such thing

quote:

you literally are the definition of an imbecile,

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:04 pm to
I think hes basically saying you will lose "access" to sites that think outside of the box. Or that goes against what the companies support.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59054 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:06 pm to
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Don't you think that would ultimately end up having the content user pay more?


Define more? What I mean is how much? Do you expect that absent NN ISPs will make streaming services $20/m, $100/m, $1000m what? Did you expect Netflix to be $9.99 forever? Also if more and more people start streaming and it uses more bandwidth who pays for that?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:07 pm to
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I think hes basically saying you will lose "access" to sites that think outside of the box. Or that goes against what the companies support.


I guess that's a potential concern, but on its face it seems like more trouble for them than it would be worth. What percentage of overall bandwidth are the "outside the box" sites collectively taking up? I mean, you think they are just going to go this route out of spite?
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 4:08 pm to
They have no reason to support them. Why support something that goes against their own interest
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