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Why are those who missed Vietnam ridiculed?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:14 pm
You old baws will have to explain this- why is it so shameful for those who had a bright and prosperous future(DJT, Mitt, Clinton) to have sought to avoid dying in a jungle across the world in a nation that presented no threat to our security?
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:22 pm
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:16 pm to NIH
> i am unable to separate personal morality about armed conflicts that my government decided despite being able to wholly separate them in every other avenue
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:17 pm to NIH
I would have done the same
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:18 pm to NIH
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You old baws will have to explain this- why is it so shameful for those who had a bright and prosperous future(DJT, Mitt, Clinton) to have sought to avoid dying in a jungle across the world in a nation that presented no threat to our security?
I wasn't alive at the time, but some say people not as well off didn't really have the option to avoid service and it was bullshite that people with money could avoid dying in that war why those less well off could not.
Someone who went through that time would have to share, but that's how all these Vietnam docs basically present it and why Nixon went to the Birthday lotto system to make it more fair.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:19 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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but some say people not as well off didn't really have the option to avoid service and it was bull shite that people with money could avoid dying in that war why those less well off could not.
Sounds like war, unfortunately.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:19 pm to NIH
Because DJT skipped it and it is now expedient to go after him. The same people will call it an unjust war and praise draft dodgers.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:20 pm to NIH
Serious answer?
Honor.
It doesn’t matter if you disgree with the cause, or if your sacrifice is seemingly meaningless. Honor demands that you serve.
This also explains why people don’t care about honor much these days.
Honor is difficult, and we prefer the easy life.
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Going to prison for your refusal to serve would be honorable though. You’re making a real sacrifice for your beliefs.
Honor.
It doesn’t matter if you disgree with the cause, or if your sacrifice is seemingly meaningless. Honor demands that you serve.
This also explains why people don’t care about honor much these days.
Honor is difficult, and we prefer the easy life.
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Going to prison for your refusal to serve would be honorable though. You’re making a real sacrifice for your beliefs.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:23 pm to BBONDS25
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Because DJT skipped it and it is now expedient to go after him. The same people will call it an unjust war and praise draft dodgers.
And those that ridiculed democrats that skipped it now seek to excuse and be reflective on the matter.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:40 pm to NIH
In Romney’s case his father was the governor of MI and supported the war
Conveniently Mitt didn’t go
It’s a bad look for Mitt to question his honor & integrity because of accusations. You think he should step aside? Fine. Call him a piece of shite? No, Mitt
Mitt is scum
Conveniently Mitt didn’t go
It’s a bad look for Mitt to question his honor & integrity because of accusations. You think he should step aside? Fine. Call him a piece of shite? No, Mitt
Mitt is scum
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:51 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I wasn't alive at the time, but some say people not as well off didn't really have the option to avoid service and it was bull shite that people with money could avoid dying in that war why those less well off could not.
I suspect the war just revealed a larger trend. Southerners, even wealthy southerners, still believed in service, but that wasn’t true in areas where the honor culture was dead.
And I wouldn’t be too quick to say that poverty explains why some served, and others did not.
It wasn’t that wealth necessarily afforded someone a way out. Or poverty condemned another to serve.
Poorer Americans were just more likely to believe in honor.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:57 pm to BBONDS25
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Because DJT skipped it and it is now expedient to go after him. The same people will call it an unjust war and praise draft dodgers.
No. It's because the person talks big and may even have the power to put others in harm's way, when he actively avoided that possibility for himself.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:59 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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No. It's because the person talks big and may even have the power to put others in harm's way, when he actively avoided that possibility for himself.
Like Clinton? Spare me the outrage.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:00 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
quote:So just like the last 3 presidents
It's because the person talks big and may even have the power to put others in harm's way, when he actively avoided that possibility for himself.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:03 pm to BBONDS25
Libs embrace Jane Fonda
They don’t really get to pull the Vietnam card. Besides, VD was his Vietnam
They don’t really get to pull the Vietnam card. Besides, VD was his Vietnam
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:05 pm to NIH
My father was at LSU during the height of Vietnam. In order to keep his college deferment, he had to take 16 hours/semester in engineering and ROTC. One of his roommates his freshman year was a senior. He figured he’d graduate in May, then it’d take a few months for the draft board to realize it, then a few months before he’d get picked, and then a few months before he’d get sent to basic and deployed. He assumed he’d have at least 6 months to a year and that the war would wind down by then.
He graduated in May, was in bootcamp by June, deployed in July, and came back in a box before Christmas.
It’s safe to say my father had the proper motivation to work his arse off in school to keep that deferment.
He graduated in May, was in bootcamp by June, deployed in July, and came back in a box before Christmas.
It’s safe to say my father had the proper motivation to work his arse off in school to keep that deferment.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Honor is difficult, and we prefer the easy life.
Losing your life on Asian soil isn't honor, it's generally done because your country will jail you for not going or you don't want to embarrass your family (which is a form of honor, I guess)
Some enlisted and I respect their decisions. But the overwhelming number of vets I know simple complied so they didn't go to jail or bring embarrassment to relatives.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:08 pm to DelU249
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Libs embrace Jane Fonda
They don’t really get to pull the Vietnam card. Besides, VD was his Vietnam
They spent the 20th century denigrating service and trying to undermine honor as an ethos.
And they succeeded for the most part.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Man, it’s such a fricked up choice
Unless you’re Mitt romney. Mitt should probably just shut the frick up about other people.
Unless you’re Mitt romney. Mitt should probably just shut the frick up about other people.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:10 pm to BBONDS25
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Like Clinton? Spare me the outrage.
As I said, "the person." Why are you people always in attack mode?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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or you don't want to embarrass your family (which is a form of honor, I guess)
It is - shame is the other side of honor.
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