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re: Why are most people that are in the military conservative?

Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
71882 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:01 pm to
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The number of Soldiers I have met that should have never been recruited or trained numbered less than 100, half of them I encouraged not to ship to basic while I was a Recruiting Commander.




That’s ballsy for an Army recruiter. frick, just being an Army recruiter in general sounds horrible.
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:02 pm to
Isn't Louisiana and the south in general supposed to supply the best soldiers? Either that small town is the single worst in the country, or a pretty good indicator of declining quality.

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I guess the 50% of troops that have a negative view of Trump are completely different than the civilians that do.
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:03 pm to
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If anything, I think that’s just your townspeople sucking


I will never deny that lmao. I left for a reason
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:08 pm to
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That’s ballsy for an Army recruiter. frick, just being an Army recruiter in general sounds horrible.


It's quite a bit different when you're the Company Commander and have to constantly call them to make sure they still want to ship to basic...many with a period of 12-14 months until their ship date. At any one time I had between 200-300 DEP (Delayed Entry Program) individuals in my "Future Soldier Pool".

USAREC programs in a 10% loss rate in your gross mission numbers. I managed to reduce our loss rate to just under 8% (Suburban Chicagoland area). However, there are some you just can tell they're not going to ship, so as long as you process them out earlier than 30 days prior to their ship date, the training seat isn't wasted.

I remember one Future Soldier that told his Recruiter that he only enlisted until a better job offer came along. He came in with his girlfriend to attempt to be the alpha male. When his Recruiter (Staff Sergeant slightly older than I was) asked me to handle it, I brought her in, then asked this little shite why I should waste my time trying to retain him when he clearly thought he was too good for us.

Every stupid answer this 19-year old dumbass came up with I used his Recruiter's personal background as a counter example, then drafted the loss paperwork. I left the room and about 10 minutes later he stormed out refusing to look at me. His Recruiter had the biggest shite-eating grin on her face I had ever seen and told me, "Sir, you made my entire week right there."

On the other extreme, I remember a young DEP whose contract I had to renegotiate 6 times because he was the star witness in a gang-related murder trial and the DA wouldn't allow him to leave the State. The DA threatened to charge me with obstruction of justice if I shipped him to basic. I referred that fricker to our Brigade legal department and told him if he ever called my office again, my next two phone calls would be to the head of the Illinois State Bar Association and the Attorney General and I would have him disbarred. Had he led with "this individual is being uncooperative" he would have gotten a better response from me. Long story short, he testified, shipped to basic, and after graduating AIT he wrote me a 10 page letter thanking me for saving his life.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 7:16 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:10 pm to
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I guess the 50% of troops that have a negative view of Trump are completely different than the civilians that do.


If you want accuracy in reporting about the Military, never cite the Military Times. They are run by the Gannett Group, an ultra left-wing think tank. They claim to be a "watchdog" for the services but are little more than clickbait and yellow journalism.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:15 pm to
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If you want accuracy in reporting about the Military, never cite the Military Times. They are run by the Gannett Group, an ultra left-wing think tank


Noted. Look I'm not saying I don't believe anything you're saying either. I'd love to believe that the vast majority of the military is qualified and fit for the job. That just sadly doesn't match the reality I've seen. Realistically, it's hard to imagine it getting better though. More and more kids turning 18 have been raised their whole lives being told obesity is beautiful, pride and success are bad, eating processed garbage and consuming anti American propaganda almost constantly. Maybe of those kids the few decent ones will be the ones who end up serving, but even if the quality of service members stays generally the same, I'd have to imagine the sheer amount of people joining will only decrease.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:17 pm to
There's four ways to be disqualified from military service.

Physical: Unable to meet entry standards
Mental: Unable to pass the ASVAB
Medical: self-explanatory
Moral: Criminal record or simply not a good fit
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:20 pm to
The truth is always somewhere closer to the middle. I wouldn’t get discouraged or question what you’ve seen based on a few overly emotional posters.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:21 pm to
The military is a cross-section of our society, to put it simply.

Fortunately, at least for right now, it's not as shitty as our actual society is.
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:24 pm to
What are your expectations regarding the future of it? For instance if God forbid we come under democrat rule at some point in the next couple of elections, do you think the overall military culture will weaken along with the culture at large, or do you think it's strong enough to resist the larger cultural downslide?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:33 pm to
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For instance if God forbid we come under democrat rule at some point in the next couple of elections, do you think the overall military culture will weaken along with the culture at large, or do you think it's strong enough to resist the larger cultural downslide?


We survived the Obama years relatively intact. Typically under Democrat administrations (I've served under Clinton and Obama) we get bogged down with excessive "350-1" training (EO, SHARP, Resiliency, Bullying/Hazing, etc) and don't get enough resources to do actual unit training. It forces mid-grade and senior leaders to be very creative about what they say and how they react.

For as much as people talk about Don't ask, Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act, most of us don't really care if the person serving with us is gay as long as they do their job.

One thing I'm disappointed about the Trump Administration is that he hasn't forced the DoD to offload much of their institutional waste.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11533 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:01 pm to
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Wrong again.

I have cause to interact with and do aupport the military. That said, there are members of the military, especially officer rank, that are SJW’s. Fact. Can’t help that you either don’t understand or refuse to see it.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:10 pm to
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That said, there are members of the military, especially officer rank, that are SJW’s. Fact. Can’t help that you either don’t understand or refuse to see it.


Again, the military is a cross-section of society. I remember during my Captains' Career Course one of my classmates was about as left-wing as you can get. He came VERY close to violating DoD Directive 1344.10 as he was almost campaigning for John Kerry. His exact words when President Bush was reelected were "well, shite, now he's got a mandate".

A lot of Senior Intel Officers do not like President Trump because most of their good friends are "Deep State".
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23181 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:06 am to
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21834 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:49 am to
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someone who doesn't believe in colonial powers ruling the world for the benefit of the royals and rockefellers isnt joining.
there's no way you are a real person
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60582 posts
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:53 am to
Cause liberals hate America
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