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Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:16 pm to davyjones
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You have a problem with that? Or should anyone else? Unless of course there's some sort of evidence that Trump intended his words to mean "find me dirt." Could you provide evidence of his words meaning that instead of the other?
President Zelenskyy was certainly concerned that Trump was using him for reelection purposes
Does that count for anything to you? I'm not even talking about Crowdstrike and/or the origins of the Mueller investigation -- those are active investigations. Ask yourself why the Trump administration has declined to open an investigation into Biden's alleged conduct.. instead Trump chose to ask Ukraine to do it on his behalf.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:20 pm to bmy
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President Zelenskyy was certainly concerned that Trump was using him for reelection purposes Does that count for anything to you?
No, it does not. How is such a foreign concept that this is about what Trump meant and intended, not what anyone else thinks he may have intended is not even funny. It's scary that this concept so easily bounces right off so many people.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:23 pm to Fireman17
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WH is going block all the crap till it goes too floor for vote.. Trump is smarter then the Democrats
Exactly.
Their continual refusal to do so is a siren for everyone with half a brain that this is nothing more than a political stunt.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:25 pm to bmy
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Ask yourself why the Trump administration has declined to open an investigation into Biden's alleged conduct.. instead Trump chose to ask Ukraine to do it on his behalf.
So ask myself to speculate and then conclude guilt or innocence based on my speculation? I couldnt do that if I tried. It's like asking me to burn myself and insist it felt great.
Plus, our DOJ hasnt the slightest jurisdiction to go over to Ukraine and dig in the records of one of their country's companies....on THEIR soil. Please explain how that works? Maybe Trump prefers the evidence before we upstart a full on investigation over here....something lost on about 42% of our population as of now.
Edit...spelt some stuff rong.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:29 pm to davyjones
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No, it does not. How is such a foreign concept that this is about what Trump meant and intended, not what anyone else thinks he may have intended is not even funny. It's scary that this concept so easily bounces right off so many people.
The text noting that Zelenskyy was 'sensitive' about potentially being used to advance Trumps 2020 reelection campaign was from a US Ambassador..four days before the Trump-Zelenskyy phone call.
It's only valuable because it conveys President Z's perception of the situation. The investigation into Biden had been being pushed by Rudy G in meetings with Ukraine officials facilitated by US ambassadors.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:31 pm to davyjones
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Plus, our DOJ hasnt the slightest jurisdiction to go over to Ukraine and dig in the records of one of their country's companies....on THEIR soil. Please explain how that works? Maybe Trump prefers the evidence before we upstart a full on investigation over here....something lost on about 42% of our population as of now.
Well this isn't true at all.. Biden's conduct can be investigated (memos, emails, transcripts, etc.)
You probably nailed it though: Trump wanted the information without appearing that he was investigating his potential opponent in the upcoming election. Whistleblower ruined that though.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:32 pm to bmy
Even though Pres Z subsequently said he felt no pressure to do anything whatsoever, it still doesnt matter. Nothing he thinks, says, perceives etc is not evidence of what Trump intended. There's still speculation required to bridge the gap no matter which way you slice it.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:32 pm to bmy
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Whistleblower
Indigo Montoya would like a word...
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:34 pm to bmy
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Well this isn't true at all.. Biden's conduct can be investigated (memos, emails, transcripts, etc.)
The company was at the center of the investigation....transactions involving the company. Now how exactly does our DOJ go about forcing disclosure of those transactions that occurred on Ukranian soil?
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:41 pm to davyjones
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The company was at the center of the investigation....transactions involving the company. Now how exactly does our DOJ go about forcing disclosure of those transactions that occurred on Ukranian soil?
What does this have to do with Bidens conduct as VP (which is what Trump specifically asked for an investigation into)?
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:42 pm to bmy
QPQ and conflict of interest.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:44 pm to davyjones
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Even though Pres Z subsequently said he felt no pressure to do anything whatsoever, it still doesnt matter. Nothing he thinks, says, perceives etc is not evidence of what Trump intended. There's still speculation required to bridge the gap no matter which way you slice it.
this is true with most things -- doesn't stop people from being convicted, though (even IF trump is impeached there is zero chance he is convicted/removed)
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:47 pm to bmy
Again, the UKRANIAN company. Joe's unquestioned exertion of highest level U.S. pressire to fire the prosecutor general that was investigating this Ukranian company. And coincidentally Hunter Biden's highly suspicious compensation from, yes, this very same Ukranian company. Again, the Ukranian company being the common denominator.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:49 pm to davyjones
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Again, the UKRANIAN company. Joe's unquestioned exertion of highest level U.S. pressire to fire the prosecutor general that was investigating this Ukranian company. And coincidentally Hunter Biden's highly suspicious compensation from, yes, this very same Ukranian company. Again, the Ukranian company being the common denominator.
just pointing out that we very well could investigate Bidens conduct -- look at all relevant texts, memos, transcripts, call history, etc.
Even better.. if we open an investigation then Ukraine is obligated to assist us in that investigation. Yet.. nothing.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:53 pm to bmy
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this is true with most things -- doesn't stop people from being convicted, though
True, there are too many instances of convictions even where there was a lack of evidence necessary to exhaust ALL elements of the allegation. Hell, just one of those is too many.
But it would be nice to refrain from knowingly barrell headlong into such an effort....involving the Presidency.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:55 pm to bmy
Trump did ask them to look at it. Then based on their findings, we jump in where it involves violation of U.S. law. How is that not reasonable?
Their findings could just as easily clear the Bidens. Be a feather in their hat
Their findings could just as easily clear the Bidens. Be a feather in their hat
Posted on 10/8/19 at 5:57 pm to bmy
Are those texts from Zelenksy? Or are they someone’s perception of what Zelensky thought.
Cause he said no quid pro quo soooooo.....
Cause he said no quid pro quo soooooo.....
Posted on 10/8/19 at 5:58 pm to davyjones
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Trump did ask them to look at it. Then based on their findings, we jump in where it involves violation of U.S. law. How is that not reasonable?
Purely because we are talking about an investigation into the actions of a US vice president in his official capacity
Posted on 10/8/19 at 6:04 pm to bmy
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President Zelenskyy:
We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
President Trump responds:
"I would like you to do us a favor, though [he asks for two things]... would like you to find out about this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... The other thing... Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me."
Sooooo, what you are saying....is that President Z brought up weapons first, that were not even a part of the $400M allocated to them from the US, that they didn’t know was being reviewed by us at the time....
Then, our President wanted help investigating corruption in our last election so it doesn’t happen again and we can bring those responsible to justice?
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