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re: Whistleblower complaint about President Trump involves Ukraine

Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:12 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:12 am to
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So you want me to believe that because Giuliani said this last night it's true?


Dude, this information has been public for months. Long before Giuliani last night.



LINK
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:13 am to
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Thanks for the link. As expected he doesn't say anything about the investigation regarding his son.


wo years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
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“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko. LINK
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39496 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:15 am to
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So if it is proven that a Vice President of the US withheld money to a country until they fired the investigator of his son, you would be ok with it?


Swidt?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:16 am to
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Exactly. But Rexcatur, DC & @Tigerdoc says Biden dindunuffins prove it!<----When dumbass Biden is on video admitting it.


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In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.


“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.



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Wait for the MSNBC Rachel Madow parsing of words to say that Biden really meant something different.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:16 am to
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No he says he got the prosecutor investigating his son fired in exchange for aid.


The linked video shows no such thing.
Posted by half cajun
Katy, TX
Member since Sep 2007
1971 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:16 am to
That’s not a gotcha because I agree. If a vice-president can be proven to have done it I’d feel the same. Not so for you Trump doormats.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:17 am to
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The linked video shows no such thing.
What a fricking moron.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:19 am to
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n his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.


Right, because he was proven to be a corrupt prosecutor. Several other countries requested the same thing. You provided no proof that he connected the firing to his son.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:19 am to
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The linked video shows no such thing.




Yeah the video only shows Biden admitting to bribing Ukrainian officials to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's dealing in Ukraine.

Meh.

No big deal, right?

Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112664 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:19 am to
“Prosecuted for corruption”


Lmao

How old are you? Do you still not realize how this country works?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:20 am to
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If a vice-president can be proven to have done it I’d feel the same.


There is more than proof. There is a confession.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39496 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:20 am to
See? This is why no one takes you seriously.

You are completely fricking outraged at reports that a POTUS is withholding aid from a country that openly interfered in our elections, but you had no issues when Obama did it. Furthermore you require no proof to convict the Republican, but when it comes to the democrat you want the smoking gun and signed confession.

You are a hack.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:21 am to
Tigerdc09 has to teach spin classes as his full time job because he is excellent at avoiding the truth.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112664 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:21 am to
He’s gotten his hopes up about Muh Russians, Muh Stormy, Muh 25th, etc. Before he knows it Blumpf will be months away from having served a full term.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
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Seems like Trump quid pro quo’d the Ukraine president to investigate Biden in exchange for military aid which, if true, is really not cool, and worthy of a whistleblower.


I'm not jumping to conclusions.. but this would be bad
Posted by half cajun
Katy, TX
Member since Sep 2007
1971 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
Ok. So we agree that If true Trump must be impeached. Doesn’t it feel good to shed that doormat status?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
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Right, because he was proven to be a corrupt prosecutor. Several other countries requested the same thing. You provided no proof that he connected the firing to his son.
Says the Muh Russians moron.

The timing of Hunter Biden’s and Archer’s appointment to Burisma’s board has been highlighted in the past, by The New York Times in December 2015 and in a 2016 book by conservative author Peter Schweizer.

Although Biden made no mention of his son in his 2018 speech, U.S. and Ukrainian authorities both told me Biden and his office clearly had to know about the general prosecutor's probe of Burisma and his son's role. They noted that:

Hunter Biden's appointment to the board was widely reported in American media;
The U.S. Embassy in Kiev that coordinated Biden's work in the country repeatedly and publicly discussed the general prosecutor's case against Burisma;
Great Britain took very public action against Burisma while Joe Biden was working with that government on Ukraine issues;
Biden's office was quoted, on the record, acknowledging Hunter Biden's role in Burisma in a New York Times article about the general prosecutor's Burisma case that appeared four months before Biden forced the firing of Shokin. The vice president's office suggested in that article that Hunter Biden was a lawyer free to pursue his own private business deals.

President Obama named Biden the administration’s point man on Ukraine in February 2014, after a popular revolution ousted Russia-friendly President Viktor Yanukovych and as Moscow sent military forces into Ukraine’s Crimea territory.

According to Schweizer’s book, Vice President Biden met with Archer in April 2014 right as Archer was named to the board at Burisma. A month later, Hunter Biden was named to the board, to oversee Burisma’s legal team.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
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but when it comes to the democrat you want the smoking gun and signed confession.



And in the case of Biden there is an actual "smoking gun" and confession ON VIDEO.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112664 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
Yeah, but you are jumping to conclusions. Pretending to be impartial when everyone knows you are frothing at the mouth is retarded
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73764 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:24 am to
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The linked video shows no such thing.



Other than a confession yes we agree with you
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