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Where were Lindsey Graham et al
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:22 am
When Saudi Arabia was executing women and gays under color of law, not a peep for years. Now all of a sudden the murder of a Moslem brotherhood propagandist and former member of Prince Turki’s inner circle is some sort of red line?Kashoggi was a POS in his own right. What about the innocent citizens and activists executed by the SA government? Why didn’t they demand actions, sanctions and regime change under the previous administrations of both sides?
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:23 am to Strannix
Something is frickey about the whole Kashoggi deal.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:26 am to Strannix
Lindsay and his daddy were busy passing legislation to prevent the 9/11 families from suing the Saudi's for their role in the event. Priorities,baby.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:27 am to Strannix
Because the Saudi's gave millions to the McCain Institute. You could always count on warmongering John to put his own wealth over the lives of our soldiers when shilling for pre-emptive war and nation building.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:27 am to bamarep
For whatever reason the existing MIC and power structure is anti MBS, that’s the only explanation. So there must be some other policy of his they’re against. Because no one gave a damn when dad was doing the same shite for decades.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:28 am to Strannix
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When Saudi Arabia was executing women and gays under color of law, not a peep for years. Now all of a sudden the murder of a Moslem brotherhood propagandist and former member of Prince Turki’s inner circle is some sort of red line?Kashoggi was a POS in his own right. What about the innocent citizens and activists executed by the SA government? Why didn’t they demand actions, sanctions and regime change under the previous administrations of both sides?
What is your point? What do you think any of this matters? When is it too late to stop caring?
I believe it was the gruesome way the reporter was killed, how public of knowledge it was, how specific it was to the leader silencing a journalist, the fact that this was someone that works inside of the United States a lot, and the fact that lawmakers basically said they were trying to get an arms deal done and didn't want to mention it. Pretty obvious stuff here. I've said for years that Saudi Arabia sucks. I love how everybody was so gung-ho to March into Iraq when Saudi Arabia is clearly worse
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:32 am to Ebbandflow
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What is your point? What do you think any of this matters? When is it too late to stop caring?
The point is why now you idiot, you can’t fathom the paradigm shift in criticizing SA? I’m not defending them, they’re sone of the shittiest POS on earth and responsible for 9/11 and the export of global terrorism worldwide.
Muh Kashoggi
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:32 am to bamarep
I don't think any reasonable person would find it hard to believe that MBS would have Kashoggi executed. They probably do shite like this on every day that ends in Y over there. But...Kashoggi's elevation to sainthood is the astonishing part. They know his hands are not clean and the CIA, who knows what he's up to, chooses not to leak that and media is complicit in not reporting it.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:36 am to BackWoodsTiger
Kashoggi was THE PROPAGANDIST Prince Turki used to suppress the SA citizenry. There was a fallout in the power structure and he was left on the outside looking in. This revisionist bulkshit painting him as some crusading reformist journalist is 100% bullshite.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:36 am to SCLibertarian
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Because the Saudi's gave millions to the McCain Institute. You could always count on warmongering John to put his own wealth over the lives of our soldiers when shilling for pre-emptive war and nation building.
Ah my favorite foundation mccain. Lets see, he is in charge of the committee armed services, he approves billions to contractors, they sell weapons to Saudis and Saudis donate the "clean" money back to the mccain foundation. Funny how that works.
Eisenhower warned us about this "circular cluster f" over 50 years ago, seems we still have not figured it out.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:37 am to Strannix
You just don't understand.
Killing a journalist is murder.
Killing women and gays is multiculturalism.
Killing a journalist is murder.
Killing women and gays is multiculturalism.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:37 am to Strannix
The media's take on this is so fake it's sickening. Ron Paul got called a kook by the MSM for publicly questioning our relationship with the Saudi's and our hard-line with Iran in the years after 9/11. I guess one alleged journalist is worth more than 3,000 Americans.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:37 am to Strannix
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The point is why now you idiot, you can’t fathom the paradigm shift in criticizing SA? I’m not defending them, they’re sone of the shittiest POS on earth and responsible for 9/11 and the export of global terrorism worldwide.
Muh Kashoggi
Well then if you think they're some of the worst purveyors of crime and World unrest then why not start with something as simple as a reporter being cut up with a bone saw and work your way up from there? Seems odd that you would take anything that people were willing to take a stand against Saudi Arabia about, and piss on it. Shouldn't you be happy that the public is finally questioning Saudi Arabia and their incredibly terrible, authoritarian silencing tactics?
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:41 am to Ebbandflow
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Shouldn't you be happy that the public is finally questioning Saudi Arabia and there incredibly terrible, authoritarian silencing tactics?
Lol so now we should all fall for the shiny hook dangled by the MIC and ruling class media complex?
Lol now it’s ok to be mad because CNN told you to right?
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:43 am to Ebbandflow
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Shouldn't you be happy that the public is finally questioning Saudi Arabia and there incredibly terrible, authoritarian silencing tactics?
We should have thrown them aside after 9/11. They've done us no favors with Russia either. One of the biggest hindrances in relations with Russia is that the United States arms sales to KSA allows them to subsidize the spread of violent Islam in the Caucasus. I would imagine the Russians view the Saudi's as one of their greatest foreign policy enemies due to the Islamist insurgencies in Chechnya and Dagestan.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:45 am to Strannix
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Lol so now we should all fall for the shiny hook dangled by the MIC and ruling class media complex?
Lol now it’s ok to be mad because CNN told you to right?
Dude, you're missing the point entirely. You are telling me that you think that they are huge pieces of crap and that they are responsible for worldwide terrorism but you aren't going to accept the new criticism because it's coming from CNN? That doesn't make any sense.
What you're trying to accuse me of is the logical fallacy that you are using. I don't like Saudi Arabia and I continue to not like Saudi Arabia. We should stop rewarding their bad behavior or at least pretending it doesn't happen. Condemning their actions in a public forum is the correct way to go about things.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:46 am to SCLibertarian
I just think this is the IC’s way of bringing MBS to heel because the murder of Kashoggi wasn’t sanctioned by the CIA. Otherwise you would have never heard about it
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:47 am to SCLibertarian
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should have thrown them aside after 9/11. They've done us no favors with Russia either. One of the biggest hindrances in relations with Russia is that the United States arms sales to KSA allows them to subsidize the spread of violent Islam in the Caucasus. I would imagine the Russians view the Saudi's as one of their greatest foreign policy enemies due to the Islamist insurgencies in Chechnya and Dagestan.
I agree on almost all accounts except for the fact that I believe Saudi Arabia and Russia work together a lot
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:48 am to Ebbandflow
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I don't like Saudi Arabia and I continue to not like Saudi Arabia.
This. Crazy4lsu and StraightCashHomey21 have said it time and time again and I agree with them: if you have to choose sides in KSA vs. Iran, the Persians are the more rational actor every time.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:49 am to Ebbandflow
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you aren't going to accept the new criticism because it's coming from CNN? That doesn't make any sense.
When they didn’t say a word for decades about the execution of gays and human rights activists? You’re goddamn right I’m going to question it, how can you be so simple minded?
Can’t you see how it’s possible to reject the hand wringing over Kashoggi on one hand while condemning SA on the other?
MBS is at least open to some reform, or do you prefer the old ways of suppressing women etc.
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