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re: Where are the "moderate" Muslims and Muslim Leaders?

Posted on 8/9/14 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 3:56 pm to
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It isn't everybody in the world's job to express outrage for you.



They had time to dance in the street and cheer when the event was 9/11.

They have time to march and protest the Israelis.

I suppose they are now too tired and their feet hurt.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 4:20 pm to
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Well, he said that people profit from war and you seem to be arguing against that and seeming to equate that to him saying there are aliens on the moon. Just thought that was funny.




Saying people profit from war is a huge difference than claiming that some unseen fascist cabal is nefariously pulling strings behind the scene and somehow using the worlds citizens as puppets. Of course people profit from war and like has already been stated, profit is the excuse that motivates almost every action including war, drilling, agriculture, drugs, etc.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 4:42 pm to
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Of course people profit from war and like has already been stated, profit is the excuse that motivates almost every action including war, drilling, agriculture, drugs, etc.
Funny how you say "of course" like everyone knows this. I don't ever see it brought up as a reason to go to war by those who support going to war.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 4:44 pm to
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Funny how you say "of course" like everyone knows this. I don't ever seen it brought up as a reason to go to war by those who support going to war.



Whether it is understood or the reported purpose for war, people obviously profit from it. Who doesn't know this?
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 4:46 pm to
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Who doesn't know this?
I would guess most people don't know. Lots of people ain't that bright.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 5:19 pm to
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Having studied Islam in college I can honestly say that there are a good bit of Muslims that speak out against violence and jihadist. Just that it doesn't sell papers or draw viewers and is largely unreported.



It's a fair point, many have real jobs, since they are doctors or engineers their opinions are not as valued as would be say they were "community organizers".

I think the relevant point is more along the lines that there are enough barbaric fundamentalist Muslims that live in a part of the world that is not really the concern of the USA, that we need to ask at what point did nation building in the mid east become our foreign policy. Especially since so many of our politicians are careful to say that is NOT our policy.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 5:37 pm to
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What if very powerful people covet the trillions in resources in Arab lands and are willing to spend many millions on propaganda to make you believe they are just barbaric people, so that our military invasion is cheered wildly over here while said resources can be had?


Are you saying Exxon is producing ISIS videos? Fascinating.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48290 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 5:51 pm to
Nobody said the money evaporates. This is where your "debate" skills are lacking. Just because I ask for evidence Of which fascist elite you are referring to it does not mean money evaporates. That is the straw man you run to when you cannot produce any evidence.


Are these the same fascist elite that flew holograms into the twin towers? Or are they different? All I'm looking for is substance and actual evidence. Who, exactly, are the fascist elite that are profiting? Names...Do you have any? Or will you post another snide remark with no substance?
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 6:01 pm to
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They had time to dance in the street and cheer when the event was 9/11. They have time to march and protest the Israelis. I suppose they are now too tired and their feet hurt.
Every one of them.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57930 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 7:27 pm to
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What if very powerful people covet the trillions in resources in Arab lands and are willing to spend many millions on propaganda to make you believe they are just barbaric people, so that our military invasion is cheered wildly over here while said resources can be had?




And what if Santa Claus is real and he is dating Bigfoot!
Or here is a better one; what if the earth is simply one cell on the fingernail of a giant?
I know, mind blown!
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 11:18 pm to
So you want a unified voice of Islam? Where would that come from? Does Christianity have a unified voice? Who would that be? The Pope?

But you are right, there are plenty of Muslims condemning ISIS for its actions.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57930 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 11:25 pm to
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So you want a unified voice of Islam? Where would that come from? Does Christianity have a unified voice? Who would that be? The Pope?



We don't have a church state like some of these Islamic countries do. Apples and oranges.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:57 am to
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They're in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, working 80 hours a week and much too busy to worry about satisfying babies like you.

A lot of them are in Dearborn, Michigan and the greater Detroit area leading productive lives as hard-working tax-paying Americans, since Michigan is arguably more sympathetic to Arabs and Muslims than any other state in the nation.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
47734 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:05 am to
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They had time to dance in the street and cheer when the event was 9/11.


BOOM

I will never forget that, frick them.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:06 am to
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A lot of them are in Dearborn, Michigan and the greater Detroit area leading productive lives as hard-working tax-paying Americans, since Michigan is arguably more sympathetic to Arabs and Muslims than any other state in the nation.

And they still hate the Jews.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:11 am to
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And they still hate the Jews.

Israel =/= Jews.

By the way, NYC and south Florida aren't exactly bastions of Arab/Muslim tolerance.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:19 am to
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Israel =/= Jews.


Correct. And they still hate Jews.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
47734 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:22 am to
I know this might make me a bad person in some people's eyes but I really don't care. I'm as laid back as they come and get along with pretty much everybody but I will always hold a grudge against Islam and what it stands for. If I know you on a personal level then so be it (I like the dude that works at my favorite service station, for real not stereotyping) BUT.... That religion as a whole can go frick ITSELF.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:36 am to
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The media isn't reporting on the aliens living on the dark side of the moon either.




When did they find aliens on the moon? Damn I gotta start watching the news. Anybody got cliffs? What about a link?





Maybe we can get the aliens to whip ISIS's arse
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 1:40 am
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
10250 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:55 am to
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Because you're a bigot and you literally can't see peaceful


Pure unadultraded ignorance. The same ignorance aka that runs rampid through the middle east . Where are the leaders in the Muslim faith, stand up let's here from you as a whole. All I hear is silence....
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