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Where are the "moderate" Muslims and Muslim Leaders?
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:13 am
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:13 am
Protests condemning tens of thousands killed, 1.2 million displaced, rapes, torture, theft, and creating a virtual prison for 40,000 civilians trapped on Mount Sinjar?
Zero.
Offers of humanitarian aid?
Zero.
A Fatawah against ISIS attacking non-Muslims issued by a state Imam?
Zero.
Outrage about the shrines, churches, and historical places being blown up and destroyed by Isis?
Zero.
The so called "religion of peace" is the exact opposite. I feel like I have been told over and over that the Islamic extremists are just a vocal minority, yet I have never seen the "peaceful" Muslim majority take a stand against the extremists.
I searched around and I found plenty of stories about moderates speaking out against the extremists, but where is the unified voice? Where are the speeches from Muslim leaders? Where are the major protests? If they so vehemently disagree with the radicals, then why aren't they doing shite about it?
Zero.
Offers of humanitarian aid?
Zero.
A Fatawah against ISIS attacking non-Muslims issued by a state Imam?
Zero.
Outrage about the shrines, churches, and historical places being blown up and destroyed by Isis?
Zero.
The so called "religion of peace" is the exact opposite. I feel like I have been told over and over that the Islamic extremists are just a vocal minority, yet I have never seen the "peaceful" Muslim majority take a stand against the extremists.
I searched around and I found plenty of stories about moderates speaking out against the extremists, but where is the unified voice? Where are the speeches from Muslim leaders? Where are the major protests? If they so vehemently disagree with the radicals, then why aren't they doing shite about it?
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:14 am to Azazello
Obama
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:18 am to Stingray
quote:
Obama
My argument has nothing to do with Obama.
I am simply wondering if anyone has any sort of explanation as to why the "peaceful" majority of Muslim's aren't speaking out against ISIS.
The scary thing is, ISIS isn't just attacking Christians. The VICE news video had them beheading Muslims and putting their heads on a fence in Raqaa.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:22 am to Azazello
Answered your question I did.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:24 am to Azazello
What if it has nothing to do with their religion and the Arab race is truly just a barbaric people?
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
It is much bigger than just Arabs. Islam is the one common element between all of these ethnic groups.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:30 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
What if it has nothing to do with their religion and the Arab race is truly just a barbaric people?
I don't think you could ever make that determination because how long Islam has been influencing the region.
Also, look at all of the violence in other countries like the Philippines. The MILF in Mindanao are Filipino yet are just as violent as ISIS.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:36 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:What if very powerful people covet the trillions in resources in Arab lands and are willing to spend many millions on propaganda to make you believe they are just barbaric people, so that our military invasion is cheered wildly over here while said resources can be had?
What if it has nothing to do with their religion and the Arab race is truly just a barbaric people?
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:37 am to TX Tiger
quote:
What if very powerful people
Who are these people?
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Those powerful enough to pull this off.
What if very powerful people
Who are these people?
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:40 am to TX Tiger
quote:
What if very powerful people covet the trillions in resources in Arab lands and are willing to spend many millions on propaganda to make you believe they are just barbaric people, so that our military invasion is cheered wildly over here while said resources can be had?
What if the Dodgers moved out of Brooklyn?
Oh wait...
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:41 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Those powerful enough to pull this off.
You remind me of the man.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:42 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Those powerful enough to pull this off.
Oh man, you never disappoint.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:44 am to Azazello
This post has been marked unreadable!
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:You don't believe such power exists?
Those powerful enough to pull this off.
Oh man, you never disappoint.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:48 am to Azazello
quote:
I am simply wondering if anyone has any sort of explanation as to why the "peaceful" majority of Muslim's aren't speaking out against ISIS.
Because you're a bigot and you literally can't see peaceful Muslims. Sort of like how Stephen Colbert can't see race or Rush Limbaugh can't see racism.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:56 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
A group of about 200 Muslims joined Christians in solidarity in front of the Chaldean Church of St. George Sunday to condemn the attacks on the Christian community in Mosul carried out by the Islamic State.
Wow, 200 is pretty good. It's not like what ISIS is doing rises to the level of outrage which a video mocking Mohammed would create.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:57 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Of course zero. You didn't even look. Wonder why? You're a fricking bigot who hates Muslims. And you got a narrative going, can't frick that up.
Figure it wasn't long before you were in here espousing your bull shite. You didn't even read my entire post before crying "OMG YOU'RE A RACIST"
I clearly said
quote:
I searched around and I found plenty of stories about moderates speaking out against the extremists, but where is the unified voice?
GTFO
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:21 am to Azazello
Don't worry, I'm confident "GHAZI" will be here soon to answer the question.
Like Obama, they probably haven't seen the newspaper yet.
Like Obama, they probably haven't seen the newspaper yet.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:31 am to Azazello
Having studied Islam in college I can honestly say that there are a good bit of Muslims that speak out against violence and jihadist. Just that it doesn't sell papers or draw viewers and is largely unreported.
Just a few examples
link: https://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/9_prominent_american_muslim_scholars_speaking_against_violence_in_the_
quote:
“You don’t see Allah giving success to the advocates of extremism, indiscriminate violence and killing civilians. Where are they successful? You just see one mess after another. It’s time for us to start cleaning up those messes. And even going beyond that, it’s time for us to contribute to the construction of something that is beautiful.” - Imam Zaid Shakir
“I share with these other imams and great leaders in encouraging all of you to avoid and stay away from these types of messages and instead focus on being a positive role model in society by taking part in the production of Islam in this society and being able to appropriate your positions as Muslims in this society by living up to the Prophetic example.” - Imam Suhaib Webb
More sources:
https://www.examiner.com/article/islam-101-why-don-t-muslims-speak-out-against-violence
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Lots of information out there, just have to search for it.
With that said the Muslims causing this terrorism are very scary and should be treated as significant threats. The are dangerous because they have been indoctrinated with a lot of false truths and fight for a very dangerous cause that they would give their lives for. The majority of them won't accept truth and will die preventing themselves from hearing reason.
They don't realize they are pawns being used by people who are only interested in power and/or money.
Just a few examples
link: https://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/9_prominent_american_muslim_scholars_speaking_against_violence_in_the_
quote:
“You don’t see Allah giving success to the advocates of extremism, indiscriminate violence and killing civilians. Where are they successful? You just see one mess after another. It’s time for us to start cleaning up those messes. And even going beyond that, it’s time for us to contribute to the construction of something that is beautiful.” - Imam Zaid Shakir
“I share with these other imams and great leaders in encouraging all of you to avoid and stay away from these types of messages and instead focus on being a positive role model in society by taking part in the production of Islam in this society and being able to appropriate your positions as Muslims in this society by living up to the Prophetic example.” - Imam Suhaib Webb
More sources:
https://www.examiner.com/article/islam-101-why-don-t-muslims-speak-out-against-violence
____
Lots of information out there, just have to search for it.
With that said the Muslims causing this terrorism are very scary and should be treated as significant threats. The are dangerous because they have been indoctrinated with a lot of false truths and fight for a very dangerous cause that they would give their lives for. The majority of them won't accept truth and will die preventing themselves from hearing reason.
They don't realize they are pawns being used by people who are only interested in power and/or money.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 9:36 am
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