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re: When is DOGE going to investigate the USDA and farmers?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can source my own if needed.
Good for you... what are the majority of people supposed to do? Seriously, our economy is set up to damn near force everyone into the workforce, how are those people going to source their own food?
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:32 am to SallysHuman
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what are the majority of people supposed to do?
Hopefully learning to NOT depend on government for their food.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Hopefully learning to NOT depend on government for their food.
It doesn't work that way. If 'BigFood' turned off the spigot tomorrow, my family would starve. Not immediately... but we'd starve. We wouldn't be the only ones.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:35 am to SallysHuman
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It doesn't work that way.
Because people are lazy and stupid.
We have choices, we all do. We make the laziest ones possible.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:36 am to SallysHuman
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Yes, I agree that it is effed up to pay farmers not to farm
The govt doesn’t pay them not to farm, they pay them not to grow a certain crop on certain amount of acres. They can plant any other crop on those acres they want. And it’s also not like they are getting rich on ARC/PLC payments anyway. Hell last year their wasn’t even a payment.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:37 am to WeeWee
Already froze a 200K contract for me. But they won’t come after us too hard. I’d rather see those dollars go to private land owners versus non profits.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:38 am to Lugnut
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The govt doesn’t pay them not to farm, they pay them not to grow a certain crop on certain amount of acres.
AKA Central planning.
Which is horrible.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:39 am to dgnx6
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We need to do away with this type of bs.
IRA is gone
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because people are lazy and stupid. We have choices, we all do. We make the laziest ones possible.
My family isn't lazy or stupid. Neither are my neighbors. Many, many households have two working parents and children in school. How the hell are they supposed to go farm life overnight?
Agriculture takes knowledge, skill, space, and supplies that just aren't common to your average household. You're being unreasonable in thinking any or all of us can just plop on our farmer hats after work and live a sustainable lifestyle. If you can, that is truly fantastic and I envy you.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:41 am to SallysHuman
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My family isn't lazy or stupid.
If you cant think of alternatives to subsidized corporate farms, you definitely are.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:41 am to Lugnut
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Lugnut
I am not well versed in the topic, just tidbits of info here and there over the years. Thanks for the info, although I need to go lookup what ARC/PLC payments are.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:41 am to geauxbrown
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Already froze a 200K contract for me.
Those are IRA funds that are frozen
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you cant think of alternatives to subsidized corporate farms, you definitely are.
Ok. There are local, small farmers.
If BigFood quit tomorrow, those small farmers would be overrun. Literally overrun. Hungry people do desperate things.
Even if everyone played nice and didn't pillage the neighborhood veggie garden, scaling up takes time and people would go hungry.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:46 am to SallysHuman
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Ok. There are local, small farmers.
There;s a coop grocery store next door to me owned and operated by anarchists who source and purchase their food from small farms.
Their produce is better and cheaper than the big box stores.
I can find all the meat I need with a gun and rod/reel.
We dont need subsidized farming, we CHOOSe subsidized corporate farms.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:47 am to WeeWee
WAY less Gov support programs than there were years ago (according to my cotton farmer friends). A lot of the corn subsidies are ethanol related.
Here’s my take on AG subsidies. They are like public education and defense spending. The country can exist without any of the three but for how long? There is no amount of political pressure you can exert that will equal the leverage they have if they sell you food and fiber. None.
Here’s the other side to that. Average row crop farmer rents land, buys fertilizer, chemical and seed, fuel, parts and labor almost all locally. He is putting anywhere from $400-1000 PER ACRE through the local economy. That money keeps small communities alive. If he got $100 an acre of subsidies the money that flows through the local area pays for that many times over.
Here’s my take on AG subsidies. They are like public education and defense spending. The country can exist without any of the three but for how long? There is no amount of political pressure you can exert that will equal the leverage they have if they sell you food and fiber. None.
Here’s the other side to that. Average row crop farmer rents land, buys fertilizer, chemical and seed, fuel, parts and labor almost all locally. He is putting anywhere from $400-1000 PER ACRE through the local economy. That money keeps small communities alive. If he got $100 an acre of subsidies the money that flows through the local area pays for that many times over.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:50 am to WeeWee
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I am willing to bet that there is a shite ton of fraud of going on there.
Remember the farmer tampering with government rain gauges to lower rainfall totals and increase his payout?
Regardless, they are looking for the indicators of systemic fraud at this point and loopholes that can be closed for big savings. Subsidies aren't fraud, although they can definitely be waste. Someone outside of the DOGE audit team will make a decision on them.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Their produce is better and cheaper than the big box stores.
Would not remain the case if everyone had to shop there.
Would it be in everyone's best interest to produce and procure locally/regionally? Yes! Can it happen overnight? No. It would takes YEARS to get our food supply corrected.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:51 am to SallysHuman
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Would not remain the case if everyone had to shop there.
I benefit from their laziness and stupidity.
How did we manage before massive grocery stores popped up?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:54 am to Lugnut
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The govt doesn’t pay them not to farm,
That isn't true. The government does indeed have programs that pay farmers to not farm land and make land "native" or leave it native.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:58 am to Doremus Jessup
Cancel ethanol in gasoline and stop subsidies….use corn for food not ethanol…
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