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re: What is the source of our rights?

Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5279 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:18 pm to
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I don't understand how people can say this. I've heard someone else say the same thing recently, or something very similar, about things that happen digitally (like over text or the internet) not being "real." If you are a real person, how can you not understand that the entity you are posting to or texting to is also real? This isn't an accusation, although I see how it can read accusatory.

You're right, of course. It's just one more thing about the world I don't understand


No real consequences.

Someone can call me a little bitch here and there is nothing I can do. Someone can call me a little bitch to my face and there is consequences.

Is why I troll....
Posted by f4ifrank
Member since Oct 2012
157 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:55 pm to
A very wise justice once said “if you get arrested in another country, your allegiance is to that country”. Stupidity knows no bounds for the justice that doesn’t know what a woman is.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13336 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:59 pm to
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Being wrong about a thing is not the same as being dishonest about a thing.


Then she's the dumbest poster on this board.

It has to be one or the other.

Because there isn't a contentious conversation she's involved in that goes longer than 3-4 back and forth responses in which she doesn't start to mischaracterize her opponent's viewpoint.

That's either intentional or it's not.

I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming that it is. Otherwise she's really a moron.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13336 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm consistent.


Yes, you are very consistent.

I can set my watch by you mischaracterizing what someone has said on this board.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
2710 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:30 pm to
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This is Holy Week and we're reminded that Jesus was humiliated and tortured to death for simply being a good dude.


I don't know what religious persuasion you are, but, taking the words of the gospel at face value (I'm atheist), Jesus was not crucified simply for being a "good dude".

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13336 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:33 pm to
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I don't know what religious persuasion you are, but, taking the words of the gospel at face value (I'm atheist), Jesus was not crucified simply for being a "good dude".


This is the correct answer.

According to the Gospel accounts the Jewish religious authorities wanted Jesus dead for two reasons: claiming to be God, and telling them that salvation was not going to be limited to the people of Israel.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
2710 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:47 pm to
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According to the Gospel accounts the Jewish religious authorities wanted Jesus dead for two reasons: claiming to be God, and telling them that salvation was not going to be limited to the people of Israel.


Right. He challenged authority to the point that they were afraid that his challenge would affect societal order, and their authority would be diminished.

He wasn't persecuted for being a "good dude".
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:19 pm to
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I once considered myself a Voluntarist

I just googled this and it seems wholly impossible in the world we have structured/created. I do think it’s cool that you think outside the box, though.

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I still care about others, but only so far as "is there something I can do". If there is not, then have the wisdom to let it go.

There’s almost always something someone can do. It’s more of a question of how much discomfort one is willing to experience to do it.

I’ve been working the back channels HARD to visit my student in jail and I’m hitting barrier after barrier. It’s extremely frustrating. But I would really appreciate if someone soldiered on to get to me if I were in his position. It’s not fair. Still not giving up but running out of ideas.

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They should benefit the most...outside the ruling class who can overstep anything.


Sounds like Utilitarianism.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:21 pm to
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Someone can call me a little bitch here and there is nothing I can do. Someone can call me a little bitch to my face and there is consequences


But what’s the benefit of calling a stranger an insult on the internet? I understand the no consequence part, but what’s the point?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:22 pm to
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I can set my watch by you mischaracterizing what someone has said on this board.


If you’re going to accuse me of that at least acknowledge that I do it in fewer than 50 words. You do it in 300-500 words.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:24 pm to
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Right. He challenged authority to the point that they were afraid that his challenge would affect societal order, and their authority would be diminished.


The epitome of “ACTUALLY…”
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13336 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:24 pm to
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You do it in 300-500 words.


I don't mischaracterize anything, and you can't copy and paste anything to the contrary.

Like I said, you are the most dishonest poster here, and thanks for proving my point with another deliberate lie.

As for still having an attention span in 2026 when so many do not (including yourself, apparently), guilty.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:18 am to
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As for still having an attention span in 2026 when so many do not (including yourself, apparently), guilty.


Verbosity demonstrates confusion. Brevity demonstrates clarity.

I don’t mistake long-winded rambling for substance (or an attention span).
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46781 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:36 am to
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I guess I’m trying to understand whether you see natural rights as something that actually operates in the world, or more as a standard we appeal to, even when reality doesn’t reflect it.
I would argue that our rights are derived from our creator, who both made us in His image with inherent value, and that He imprinted His moral law on our hearts, so we instinctually know what is right and wrong (even if we pervert and ignore it due to sin).

Your statement that it seems that, functionally, rights and morals are merely societal constructs of those with the power to create and enforce them, denies both the truth God has revealed about our rights and His moral standard, and denies that justice for violation of those rights and morals will be meted out after our deaths by a just God.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5279 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:52 am to
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I would argue that our rights are derived from our creator, who both made us in His image with inherent value, and that He imprinted His moral law on our hearts, so we instinctually know what is right and wrong

If this were true, we would not have to teach right from wrong.

Heck, we wouldn't even have this topic, we would all instinctually know. But of course, we do not.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115184 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:06 am to
God
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15275 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:10 am to
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UtahCajun


Guessing you aren't Christian?

Natural law, sources of morality etc.

What Foo's saying isnt wrong from a Christian standpoint

And its very well documented stuff by people waaaaaaay smarter than any jerk off in here

ETA: and then cubbies claims shes Catholic and use to or current teaches RCIA and then she has threads like this (and many others) where I guess im alittle worried about what kinda information she floats out there to those kids.

This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 7:15 am
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5279 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:58 am to
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Guessing you aren't Christian?

My relationship with God is for me alone.
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Natural law, sources of morality etc.

This
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What Foo's saying isnt wrong from a Christian standpoint

And this are exactly the same.
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What Foo's saying isnt wrong from a Christian standpoint

A Christian who never had kids? Seems that neither of you have since you seem to think we do not have to teach them right from wrong. Maybe you don't remember. Most of us here are grandparents after all.
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And its very well documented stuff by people waaaaaaay smarter than any jerk off in here

You do realize you are included in said jerk off correct.
God would be proud of your pride BTW.
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ETA: and then cubbies claims shes Catholic and use to or current teaches RCIA and then she has threads like this (and many others) where I guess im alittle worried about what kinda information she floats out there to those kids.

This is someone else's thread.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 7:59 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 8:06 am to
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I would argue that our rights are derived from our creator, who both made us in His image with inherent value, and that He imprinted His moral law on our hearts, so we instinctually know what is right and wrong (even if we pervert and ignore it due to sin).



Ok, I can get behind this.

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the truth God has revealed about our rights


This gets murky for me.

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and denies that justice for violation of those rights and morals will be meted out after our deaths by a just God.

I believe God can enact justice after our deaths. I question whether or not humans can achieve justice with our complicated and flawed systems.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61156 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 8:09 am to
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If this were true, we would not have to teach right from wrong.



Do we, though? We don't teach feelings of guilt.

ETA: I actually had this conversation with a high schooler at catechism yesterday. We read the passage of Jesus saying to bring the children to him and I asked why it would be easier for kids to enter heaven than adults. He said that kids haven't been taught about all the atrocities in the world yet, so they are still innocent. I asked if kids are taught about bad things or if they just start noticing bad things because of developmental changes/maturing. He said both probably happen concurrently.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 8:12 am
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