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Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:53 am to member12
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Eliminating as much of Obamacare as possible is a fantastic solution.
yes to the republican base, but the republican base isn't enough in 2016, and I am sure mcconnell realizes this.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:54 am to Hawkeye95
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yes to the republican base
polls have 65+% of the electorate hating Obamacare.
wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:56 am to Hawkeye95
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yes to the republican base, but the republican base isn't enough in 2016, and I am sure mcconnell realizes this.
I know you've had a rough week, but dissatisfaction with Obamacare extends far beyond the republican base.
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Clearly this lesson was learned by every democrat in the mid term elections that worked hard to distance themselves from Obamacare. Suggesting that this is just a position held by fringe republicans after this week is pure lunacy.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:57 am to Hawkeye95
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they don't really provide a broad based solution to address people without coverage
We did not need Ocare to achieve this goal, it would have been cheaper for the fed to buy all those people a BC/BS policy than all the costs associated with Ocare trying to reinvent the wheel. Look no further than the Ocare exchange roll out's dismal failure.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:02 am to member12
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I know you've had a rough week, but dissatisfaction with Obamacare extends beyond the republican base.
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I have had a pretty good week actually. I am not a democrat, I am not upset about the election. In fact, I am laughing at people on facebook that are freaking out about it. The things that I wanted to win or lose, won or lost. Yes, a few of the people I voted for lost but I didn't really expect them to win anyway- i mean the libertarian candidate for AG had no shot at winning.
And YES, peoeple hate obamacare. I don't disagree. as I said on the previous page, it was a big winner in this election and helped the republicans win. if it wasn't broadly unpopular, I doubt they have the wave they do.
BUT, the republican base would be satisfied with repealing obamacare and no replacement. The middle - I don't think they would be, I think they would get annoyed, especially when the things they like about obamacare go away - children up to 27 getting insurance, birth control/preventive care covered, coverage for pre-existing conditions.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:06 am to Hawkeye95
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the republican base would be satisfied with repealing obamacare and no replacement.
you keep trotting out this no replacement.
When did we need an Obamacare solution?
seriously, wtf.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:09 am to Hawkeye95
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BUT, the republican base would be satisfied with repealing obamacare and no replacement. The middle - I don't think they would be .
That's your opinion. Republicans will attempt to defund and roll back as much as they can, starting with the most unpopular parts of Obamacare. That is a valid replacement for the law, like it or not.
The White House and congressional democrats will have to figure out how to answer that while playing down their support for the catastrophically unpopular law.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:10 am to CptBengal
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you keep trotting out this no replacement.
When did we need an Obamacare solution?
seriously, wtf.
There was never a "health care crisis" until Sillary trumped one up for her campaign, which lacked a crisis to focus on, at least one they could push on the MSM.
The need for a replacement is certainly the transparent effort of dem-leftist at continuing this canard for their own purposes of trying to be relevant in the next two years.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:21 am to CptBengal
Nothing we don't already know.
That though this election should be heralded by the media as the rise of Women to elected office this will be ignored because they are strong conservative Republican women that were elected.
Men in red states will still have their character besmirched as knuckle dragging neanderthals if they don't support Hilary, or her clone, Landreiu, ad nauseam.
Dems who refused to compromise at all even to the point of allowing the Legislative process, Harry Reid not even scheduling any House bills he didn't like which were almost all of them, will now want Republicans to compromise, and the media will continue to echo this ad infinitum.
That though this election should be heralded by the media as the rise of Women to elected office this will be ignored because they are strong conservative Republican women that were elected.
Men in red states will still have their character besmirched as knuckle dragging neanderthals if they don't support Hilary, or her clone, Landreiu, ad nauseam.
Dems who refused to compromise at all even to the point of allowing the Legislative process, Harry Reid not even scheduling any House bills he didn't like which were almost all of them, will now want Republicans to compromise, and the media will continue to echo this ad infinitum.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:26 am to Hawkeye95
quote:You will never accomplish this with "insurance".
I think the biggest is getting coverage for people with health problems.
quote:Fairest solution... everyone pays for what they use.
But yes, who pays and how needs to be addressed.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:28 am to member12
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That's your opinion.
exactly. Its all opinion, including the OP.
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That is a valid replacement for the law, like it or not.
I am not saying its invalid, i am saying it might not be good governing strategy. Republicans are claiming a mandate, and I do not think "NO" is a good governing strategy. They are going to have to do something besides just repeal obamacare.
based on mcconnels comments yesterday I think he agrees with me.
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The White House and congressional democrats will have to figure out how to answer that while playing down their support for the catastrophically unpopular law.
I think congressional dems will STFU and watch the republicans hoping they shoot themselves in the foot.
Obama is in a tougher spot, as he is going to face a lot of pressure by congressional dems to join their strategy but this is his legacy, so I think he goes down fighting.
But they can stage it where HRC throws him under the bus on it, so maybe she isn't tarnished too much. Biden would be fricked.
It should be interesting to watch!
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:30 am to Hawkeye95
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Its all opinion, including the OP.
No. I have actual stats to back mine up. You offered things that were disproved within seconds.
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Republicans are claiming a mandate, and I do not think "NO" is a good governing strategy. They are going to have to do something besides just repeal obamacare.
They ran on repealing obamacare. Thats why they were elected.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:30 am to Taxing Authority
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Fairest solution... everyone pays for what they use.
well I think there are some elements of society that cannot pay for what they use. what do you do, let them die?
I mean, I am totally ok with that but I am not running for office.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:30 am to Hawkeye95
quote:False. Only a small portion of Obamacare is the individual mandate.
btw, Republicans also proposed what obamacare was based off of.
quote:Yup. Even that small slice of Obamacare never had enough support to go anywhere.
You see how that worked out don't you?
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Ripping out obamacare is a great election strategy, but maybe not such a good governing strategy.
Me thinks you don't understand how representative government works.Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:31 am to Hawkeye95
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well I think there are some elements of society that cannot pay for what they use. what do you do, let them die?
you do realize HC is so expensive BECAUSE of government intervention, right?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:34 am to Hawkeye95
quote:There are lots of things I cannot afford.
well I think there are some elements of society that cannot pay for what they use.
quote:You think I can grant them salvation?
what do you do, let them die?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:39 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Well, these folks were ALWAYS able to get "health care". The question was how / who pays for it. Soooo...once again "PAY" for health care is the problem
Exactly. Hospitals are begging for patients. They advertise all over they place even. Access to healthcare isn't the issue. The issue is who pays after the services are performed.
That is why I laugh at those women who claim they were denied birth control. What? The drug companies wouldn't sell you their product? No you just are upset you have to pay.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:40 am to Taxing Authority
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There are lots of things I cannot afford.
very few of them will kill you though.
As I said, I am ok with just letting poor people die. I am not running for office, and I think we need more death in our society.
But I am going to make a large wager, let's say my entire net worth, that this would not play well with the general electorate.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:45 am to Hawkeye95
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I am not a democrat
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