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re: What do you think it means to believe in science?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:44 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
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Thank you for proving my point. You're an idiot.
Don't tell me back then there weren't people who still believed the world was flat when today there are still some people who believe the world is flat.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 7:45 pm
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:45 pm to OMLandshark
quote:and?
Columbus just got lucky that there was a huge landmass in his way to the Far East.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm always deferent to personal observers.
In this case, your deference to personal observers is correct.
It is an amazing animal that is obviously smart enough to keep itself hidden from other animals including humans.
Since its nostrils are at the tip of its snout, it can keep its entire body underwater, just stick its nostrils above the surface of the water and take a deep breath then lower its nostrils underwater and no one would ever know it came to the surface.
If someone was lucky enough to see the tip of the snout above the surface of the water, they would think it is just a sea lion or some other known animal that came to the surface for a few seconds then went back underwater.
In fact, the first time I saw the head above the surface of the water heading towards the group of sea lions I thought it was just another sea lion until it stuck its head and upper body 10 feet straight up in the air and looked like a telephone pole sticking 10 feet out of the water.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:01 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Don't tell me back then there weren't people who still believed the world was flat
Maybe a few fringe people, but not kings, queens, cartographers, and navigators, you moron. The Greeks figured this out nearly 2000 years before Columbus' journey. If you lived anywhere near the coast or were a sailor, of course you believed it.
The issue wasn't if Columbus was going to fall off the edge of the planet, it's if Columbus could make it to the East Indies without everyone starving or dying of thirst. Many cartographers pretty correctly guessed the size of the Earth at that point, and that's why they didn't give a greenlight to Columbus' historic voyage.
This is something anyone who graduated from high school should know. You are educationally subnormal.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Can we get back to the demon sword fights at some point?
Ah, my favorite loyal opposition finally shows up.
That's some other guy, maybe you, who talked about demon sword fights.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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and?
He survived and returned to Spain with news of his findings.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:24 pm to OMLandshark
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Maybe a few fringe people, but not kings, queens, cartographers, and navigators, you moron. The Greeks figured this out nearly 2000 years before Columbus' journey. If you lived anywhere near the coast or were a sailor, of course you believed it.
The issue wasn't if Columbus was going to fall off the edge of the planet, it's if Columbus could make it to the East Indies without everyone starving or dying of thirst. Many cartographers pretty correctly guessed the size of the Earth at that point, and that's why they didn't give a greenlight to Columbus' historic voyage.
This is something anyone who graduated from high school should know. You are educationally subnormal.
Of course I was taught that in high school but I was talking about skeptics who thought the Earth was flat regardless of how many there were.
BTW, they never taught you in high school that there was a map discovered in 1929 known as the Piri Reis map that was made in 1513 and depicted the exact shape of northern Antarctica without the ice which wasn't known until modern times. It was drawn by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.
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His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.
The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier...Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.
Why weren't we taught that in high school?
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:28 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Of course I was taught that in high school
You said that people were scared that Columbus was going to go off the edge of the Earth. If you were taught it, you certainly didn't remember.
That phrase is just one I can immediately dismiss a person as an idiot.
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BTW, they never taught you in high school that there was a map discovered in 1929 known as the Piri Reis map that was made in 1513 and depicted the exact shape of northern Antarctica without the ice which wasn't known until modern times. It was drawn by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.
Oh yeah, great source. That is something Yoga girl would cite.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:37 pm to OMLandshark
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You said that people were scared that Columbus was going to go off the edge of the Earth
Liar.
My exact words were:
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Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
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BTW, they never taught you in high school that there was a map discovered in 1929 known as the Piri Reis map that was made in 1513 and depicted the exact shape of northern Antarctica without the ice which wasn't known until modern times. It was drawn by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.
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Oh yeah, great source. That is something Yoga girl would cite.
You are just another skeptic who will deny the truth even when it is staring you in the face.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:41 pm to DawgfaninCa
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My exact words were:
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Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
Yeah, but you act as if that was a sizable enough population to even be brought up in an argument. It leads me to believe I just broke the news to you.
Plus you've said so many mind numbingly stupid things on this board that you don't deserve any benefit of the doubt.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:57 pm to OMLandshark
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My exact words were:
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Nope but the skeptics who thought the world was flat thought he would fall off the edge of the world.
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Yeah, but you act as if that was a sizable enough population to even be brought up in an argument.
I am not acting like anything except that there were skeptics at the time who still thought the Earth was flat regardless of their number.
You acted like there were no skeptics at the time who still thought the Earth was flat.
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It leads me to believe I just broke the news to you.
Your belief is based on no evidence whatsoever.
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Plus you've said so many mind numbingly stupid things on this board that you don't deserve any benefit of the doubt.
I don't care whether you believe me or not.
I know what I know and you don't know what you don't know.
Hey, I've got a great idea.
Let's be strangers.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:57 pm to DawgfaninCa
It was you.
I know it. You know it. They all know it.
I know it. You know it. They all know it.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:01 pm to OMLandshark
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Oh yeah, great source.
The dude used the original cryptozoologist in an attempt to give himself credibility on the existence of sea devils.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
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It is an amazing animal that is obviously smart enough to keep itself hidden from other animals including humans.
Since its nostrils are at the tip of its snout, it can keep its entire body underwater, just stick its nostrils above the surface of the water and take a deep breath then lower its nostrils underwater and no one would ever know it came to the surface.
If someone was lucky enough to see the tip of the snout above the surface of the water, they would think it is just a sea lion or some other known animal that came to the surface for a few seconds then went back underwater.
In fact, the first time I saw the head above the surface of the water heading towards the group of sea lions I thought it was just another sea lion until it stuck its head and upper body 10 feet straight up in the air and looked like a telephone pole sticking 10 feet out of the water.
moar. please. i love crypto stuff. when/where/how many sightings/how many non crazies to verify.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:56 am to bmy
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moar. please. i love crypto stuff. when/where/how many sightings/how many non crazies to verify.
You can visit my blog where I have posted newspaper accounts going all the way back to the 1870s regarding sightings of sea serpents in SF bay and near the SF bay area.
One of the most witnessed sightings ( 9 eyewitnesses that my brother and I are aware of and probably more} occurred on October 31, 1983 at Stinson Beach, California which was just one year and three months before my brother's and my sighting on February 5, 1985.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The dude used the original cryptozoologist in an attempt to give himself credibility on the existence of sea devils.
Meh, all my brother and I did was report our sighting to the scientist who was world known for his study of large unknown marine animals because we knew he would be interested in hearing the details of our sighting.
The fact that he decided to continue communicating with us regarding the details of our sightings was his choice not ours.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:13 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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It was you.
I know it. You know it. They all know it.
Since I know it isn't me, I know you and they are wrong.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:21 am to OMLandshark
OMLandshark is a typical skeptic.
He sees the handwriting on the wall but he declares that it is a forgery.
He sees the handwriting on the wall but he declares that it is a forgery.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:21 am to DawgfaninCa
NY Times
This is what a faction of the science community believes in...
These conflicts of interests pollute/skew the data
Zoom out and you have the same argument for climate change "science". Look at the true believers in that camp who stomp out any dissent...
Many parallels to sugar/fat, nutrition recs, public policy above, hubris, etc
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How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat
By ANAHAD O’CONNORSEPT. 12, 2016
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The sugar industry paid scientists in the 1960s to play down the link between sugar and heart disease and promote saturated fat as the culprit instead, newly released historical documents show.
The internal sugar industry documents, recently discovered by a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco, and published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine, suggest that five decades of research into the role of nutrition and heart disease, including many of today’s dietary recommendations, may have been largely shaped by the sugar industry.
“They were able to derail the discussion about sugar for decades,” said Stanton Glantz, a professor of medicine at U.C.S.F. and an author of the JAMA Internal Medicine paper.
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Even though the influence-peddling revealed in the documents dates back nearly 50 years, more recent reports show that the food industry has continued to influence nutrition science
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Dr. Hegsted used his research to influence the government’s dietary recommendations, which emphasized saturated fat as a driver of heart disease while largely characterizing sugar as empty calories linked to tooth decay. Today, the saturated fat warnings remain a cornerstone of the government’s dietary guidelines, though in recent years the American Heart Association, the World Health Organization and other health authorities have also begun to warn that too much added sugar may increase cardiovascular disease risk.
This is what a faction of the science community believes in...
These conflicts of interests pollute/skew the data
Zoom out and you have the same argument for climate change "science". Look at the true believers in that camp who stomp out any dissent...
Many parallels to sugar/fat, nutrition recs, public policy above, hubris, etc
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:25 am to oklahogjr
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It doesn't explain everything and can be wrong at times
To me this is what allows science to distinguish itself from any other method of examination. Science demands, that its claims be thoroughly and robustly tested. Only when these claims are proven true, and have comprehensively exhausted all attempts to prove otherwise, are they allowed to be called "science", and furthermore are subject to recall at any time should new technologies or discoveries allow for a different previously unavailable perspective.
This is in stark contrast to religion, for example, which demands the exact opposite, namely that its claims are accepted as ironclad truth and no attempt be made to disprove them. Attempting to disprove a claim is completely antithetical to religion, so much so that the blind acceptance of doctrine is held up as a virtue and given a special name: "faith".
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