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What are the origins of the Religious Right.. really?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:09 am
The Real Origins of the Religious Right
Somewhat interesting article - some parts the writer is blowing steam out his own butt, but other parts are interesting, for me the most interesting parts where these:
being a Southern Baptist, this is hilarious, the holier than tho pastor's who preach on this every time "government" is mentioned will make me laugh even more than they already do
Somewhat interesting article - some parts the writer is blowing steam out his own butt, but other parts are interesting, for me the most interesting parts where these:
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When the Roe decision was handed down, W. A. Criswell, the Southern Baptist Convention’s former president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas—also one of the most famous fundamentalists of the 20th century—was pleased: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” he said, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”
being a Southern Baptist, this is hilarious, the holier than tho pastor's who preach on this every time "government" is mentioned will make me laugh even more than they already do
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Baptists, in particular, applauded the decision as an appropriate articulation of the division between church and state, between personal morality and state regulation of individual behavior. “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision,” wrote W. Barry Garrett of Baptist Press.
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:12 am to BaddestAndvari
Read the history of the Southern Baptist Convention. Leadership like that led to a big takeover of the denomination by conservatives who were offended by their leadership straying from scripture. By 1979, liberal baptist like this started being purged from leadership positions because of their views.
This is just a political hit piece to paint Southern Baptists with the broad brush that the left paints all Christians with.
This is just a political hit piece to paint Southern Baptists with the broad brush that the left paints all Christians with.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:22 am to NikolaiJakov
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By 1979, liberal baptist like this started being purged from leadership positions because of their views.
and the SBC has seen a decline in membership at a rate of 5% every year since then...
I'm not saying the SBC is wrong, but they have some really really stupid beliefs, and have made many enemies from people that should be friends over the years
Texas has a big split, and created 2 "factions" in 2000
The massive civil war between WMU and the SBC in the 90s
...... the CBF
Since 1979, the SBC has really become more of the "denomination for the rich" and much less what it was originally intended to be. (I work for one of the arms of the SBC, and I can tell you with 100% certainty, that these exact words have come from IMB, NAMB, and the SBC, they only focus on the "big rich churches" now) (I do still like their mission work however...)
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:22 am to NikolaiJakov
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This is just a political hit piece to paint Southern Baptists with the broad brush that the left paints all Christians with
Wow ya' think?
Let's see Politico do an article on those formerly on the Left, who are now conservatives.
I won't hold my breath.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:33 am to BaddestAndvari
The SBC's only purpose is missions, because each church is autonomous. The reason they fail is because they lose track of that. The decline is due to the moral decline is society. Jesus, the Bible, and self-control aren't cool anymore.
Wait a minute...what beliefs do you consider "stupid"?
Wait a minute...what beliefs do you consider "stupid"?
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:33 am to BaddestAndvari
The so-called religious right is more important to the MSM and Democrats than they are to most Republicans. I also truly believe Jerry Falwell was heaven sent for the Dems.
As to the article I see little to no evidence of his claim that segregation was the cause of the growth of the RR. Segregation by the time of the late 70's was done as a issue.
As to the article I see little to no evidence of his claim that segregation was the cause of the growth of the RR. Segregation by the time of the late 70's was done as a issue.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:33 am to BaddestAndvari
Watch the movie/doc "Monumental", or just ignore that Religion has been integral in our government since it's inception/founding.
The new wave of the 'religious right' has risen up as a reactionary force against the concurrent rise of the Secular Left...and it's pernicious and degrading influence on the culture.
The new wave of the 'religious right' has risen up as a reactionary force against the concurrent rise of the Secular Left...and it's pernicious and degrading influence on the culture.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:37 am to BaddestAndvari
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and the SBC has seen a decline in membership at a rate of 5% every year since then...
People automatically equate decline with being bad. Sometimes, when the chaff is purged from the wheat, the end result is better. In my opinion, more purging is needed.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:48 am to BaddestAndvari
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and the SBC has seen a decline in membership at a rate of 5% every year since then...
Two questions to ask about this:
1. Church membership has been declining in many mainline denominations. Is the 5% decline within SBC worse than in other mainline groups?
2. How much of the decline is due to the rise of the megachurch phenomenon?
(BTW, several megachurches such as Saddleback and Fellowship are actually SBC affiliated, but they don't advertise their ties. So how many polled, who may attend an SBC-affiliated megachurch, answered "non-denominational" not knowing otherwise?)
Also it's strange that this thread has drifted off into an SBC discussion, when the focus of the article was on Bob Jones University, which is an Independent Baptist supported institution.
(IB's have an absolute disdain for SBC, many of them--such as J. Frank Norris, John R. Rice, and Lester Roloff--having broken away from it in the early and mid-1900's. Even with the SBC supposedly returning to conservative views, the IB's aren't convinced--IB publisher The Sword of the Lord sells a book titled SBC Conservative Takeover not a "Make-Over".)
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:53 am to Revelator
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People automatically equate decline with being bad.
Except that from what I've read, the decline in other mainline denominations--those which are perceived by conservative groups as highly liberal--is much steeper than the 5% that SBC is facing.
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Sometimes, when the chaff is purged from the wheat, the end result is better. In my opinion, more purging is needed.
I don't disagree in principle with your statement. But from my experience (which I shared sometime back), those being purged aren't those who are chaff, only those who aren't totally in lockstep with the ruling clergy class (even when they don't know they aren't, and may be willing to comply if simply told otherwise--not in my case, though).
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:57 am to goatmilker
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The so-called religious right is more important to the MSM and Democrats than they are to most Republicans. I also truly believe Jerry Falwell was heaven sent for the Dems.
This. The Dems and the MSM need an enemy that can be conveniently used to scare the so-called moderates.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 9:57 am to Quidam65
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I don't disagree in principle with your statement. But from my experience (which I shared sometime back), those being purged aren't those who are chaff, only those who aren't totally in lockstep with the ruling clergy class (even when they don't know they aren't, and may be willing to comply if simply told otherwise--not in my case, though).
I agree and I didn't want to imply that all leaving were chaff. Certainly some are burn out from the corporate church experience or have been through one too many pastor changes and leave.
But when and if God does the pruning, it is a good thing.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:11 am to Revelator
Should Christians be surprised, Rev? "all deceived, save the elect..." (Biblical paraphrase).
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:15 am to RCDfan1950
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Should Christians be surprised, Rev? "all deceived, save the elect..."
The ones remaining could be the ones deceived.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:26 am to RCDfan1950
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Should Christians be surprised, Rev? "all deceived, save the elect..." (Biblical paraphrase).
No. The falling away was prophesied for the last days. And also those turning from sound doctrine to fables.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:39 pm to Revelator
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No. The falling away was prophesied for the last days. And also those turning from sound doctrine to fables.
Yep. I used to wonder how so many people could be deceived, but now I'm amazed that there are any that won't.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:58 pm to BaddestAndvari
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What are the origins of the Religious Right.. really?
Somewhere between:
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the
[Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a
terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and
governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting
in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried
to deal with them." ~ Barry Goldwater
...and:
“I know you can’t endorse me, but . . . I want you to know that I endorse you.” ~ Ronald Reagan to Jerry Falwell
Later...
Baptist minister and former Carter backer Bailey Smith, speaking at the Dallas gathering, saw fit to aver that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” Then, Falwell felt compelled to clarify that God did hear the prayers of any Jew or Gentile, provided that they were converts to Christianity. The topic of Jewish salvation predictably greeted Reagan during his October visit to Lynchburg, where Falwell hosted a gathering of the National Religious Broadcasters. Confronted by journalists at the airport, the candidate embraced a much more generous take on God’s sense of hearing. Falwell—by then a political operative, as well as a fundamentalist minister—agreed with Reagan a few days later, reversing his position after consulting with the American Jewish Committee’s liaison to Christians, Rabbi Marc Tanenbaum. God “hears the heart cry of any sincere person who calls on Him,” Falwell now stated.
In short, Jerry formed the Moral Majority as a way to influence American politics, and Reagan pursued their endorsement.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 3:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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In short, Jerry formed the Moral Majority as a way to influence American politics, and Reagan pursued their endorsement.
Religious influence was prominent in our gov. before it's conception and throughout. But yes, Falwell used his clout to reestablish it's influence during a period when it was waning.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:37 pm to Quidam65
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Except that from what I've read, the decline in other mainline denominations--those which are perceived by conservative groups as highly liberal--is much steeper than the 5% that SBC is facing.
The mainline denominations have bottomed out. The SBC "brand" is in a different stage of its lifecycle. The curve will steepen and will look similar to what happened to the mainline denominations. Meanwhile, the newer "brands," Mormons, pentecostals, etc, are still growing. As they mature, they will plateau, then start a steepening decline. Perhaps something else will take their place, or perhaps the US will have finally reached the end of the religious cycle, as has Europe.
It doesn't have anything to do with liberal vs conservative, or whose beliefs adhere more strictly to the Bible. It's just basic sociology.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:47 pm to RCDfan1950
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The new wave of the 'religious right' has risen up as a reactionary force against the concurrent rise of the Secular Left.
I agree with this. It's really quite simple.
The evangelical influence in politics has traditionally been liberal--antislavery, conservationism, etc.
The challenges to formal school prayer, followed by the sexual revolution, pushed evangelicals away from the left.
Whether the secular left is in fact pernicious and degrading is a matter of opinion, but it's definitely an opinion the religious right holds and it's THE reason for the schism with liberals.
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