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Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:21 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23189 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:21 am to
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hey, all this stuff we’ve said and done for 3 years, don’t worry about that” and dismiss the case outright.


No.

The governments independent review of the case found it to be unethical.
Posted by chateaublanc
Member since Apr 2020
1118 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:22 am to
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23189 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:22 am to
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Flynn stood up in open court, under oath, and admitted to the factual predicate of the crime.


Is a defendant required to say he did something or just that he pleads guilty to those things?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27137 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:23 am to
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Wednesday Goes to Washington


Have I told you that I love you this month?

I so hope you are not just playing some chick on the internets...
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73444 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:26 am to
I will carry your briefcase, heck even fetch you coffee.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146806 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:28 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:30 am to
quote:

I’ll find a more diplomatic way to state it

How about this?

quote:

Dear Judge Sullivan,

Consume a penis.

Love,

Poliboard
Posted by rumproast
Member since Dec 2003
12094 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:32 am to
Man...unless the case involves a minor or an interdict...or is some sort of proceeding where the Court has some heightened duty to protect some unrepresented party, the Court really has no basis to "dispute" unopposed, consented upon disposition motions by counsel. That is going beyond a judicial role and entering an advocacy role imo. The invitation of a 3rd party into a routine prosecution case brought by the government...where the issue is agreed upon and consented to between prosecution and defense is asinine. This is wrong.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146806 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:40 am to
The full Sidney response.

LINK
Posted by westide
Bamala
Member since Sep 2014
2882 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 8:40 am to
This quack judge should be disbarred.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36047 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 9:02 am to
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How common is it? 

Not common at all. Are there cases where public input should be allowed? I think so. Should the standard for it be high? Certainly. The problem here is Judge Sullivan denied pro-Flynn third parties the right to submit amicus briefs on 24 occasions. All of a sudden when the case is going to be dismissed, he reverses himself and allows anti-Flynn third parties to do the very thing he previously denied.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80247 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 9:18 am to
Sure. I think Sullivan may be grandstanding a bit, but I think we can all acknowledge this has been a unique case from the getgo.

Folks may be mad now because it’s not an immediate dismissal for Flynn, but they may actually like what Sullivan ends up doing.

I would hate to be whatever DOJ lawyer is drafted to be at the hearing Sullivan will almost inevitably set. I think Sullivan may have some pointed questions about how we go to this point in the case.

ETA: I can also see a scenario where Van Grack is called back before the Court and asked what he knew about the altered 302s and other “newly discovered documents”.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:32 pm to
What if his guilty plea was a result of blackmail? Didn’t FBI threaten his son?
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5570 posts
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:07 am to
Wednesday: If you feel compelled to proceed I think Powell already has laid out a pretty good response when she wrote her "open letter" to obama

Powell Open Letter to Obama

Open Memorandum to Barack Obama
by Sidney Powell May 13, 2020 in Media
OPEN MEMORANDUM
To: Barack Hussein Obama
From: Sidney Powell
www.SidneyPowell.com
Date: May 13, 2020
Re: Your Failure to Find Precedent for Flynn Dismissal
Regarding the decision of the Department of Justice to dismiss charges against General Flynn, in your recent call with your alumni, you expressed great concern: “there is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free. That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic — not just institutional norms — but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk.”
Here is some help—if truth and precedent represent your true concern. Your statement is entirely false. However, it does explain the damage to the Rule of Law throughout your administration.

First, General Flynn was not charged with perjury—which requires a material false statement made under oath with intent to deceive.1

McCabe lied under oath in fully recorded and transcribed interviews with the Inspector General for the DOJ.

Yet, remarkably, Attorney General Barr declined to prosecute McCabe for these offenses.

Applying the Rule of Law, after declining McCabe’s perjury prosecution, required the Justice Department to dismiss the prosecution of General Flynn

Second, it would seem your “wingman” Eric Holder is missing a step these days at Covington & Burling LLP. Indelibly marked in his memory (and one might think, yours) should be his Motion to Dismiss the multi-count jury verdict of guilty and the entire case against former United States Senator Ted Stevens.

As horrifying as the facts of the Stevens case were, they pale in comparison to the targeted setup, framing, and prosecution of a newly elected President’s National Security Advisor and the shocking facts that surround it.

Third, the inability of anyone in your alumni association to find “anybody who has been charged [with anything] just getting off scot-free” would be laughable were it not so pathetic.

Many of your alum feature prominently in the non-fiction legal thriller published in 2014: Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice. A national best- seller, it focusses on the egregious prosecutorial misconduct of your longest serving White House Counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler; your counter-terrorism advisor Lisa Monaco; Loretta Lynch’s DAG for the Criminal Division Leslie Caldwell; and Mueller protégé Andrew Weissmann.

they hid the evidence that showed those defendants were innocent for six years. Both cases were reversed on appeal

Fourth, Judge Emmet Sullivan should remember dismissing the corrupted case against Ted Stevens. Judge Sullivan is the judicial hero of Licensed to Lie.

Fifth, there is precedent for guilty pleas being vacated. Your alumni Weissmann and Ruemmler are no strangers to such reversals. The defendants “got off scot-free” because—like General Flynn—your alumni had concocted the charges and terrorized the defendants into pleading guilty to “offenses” that were not crimes.

Sixth, should further edification be necessary, see Why Innocent People Plead Guilty, written in 2014 by federal Judge Jed Rakoff (a Clinton appointee). Abusive prosecutors force innocent people to plead guilty with painful frequency. The Mueller special counsel operation led by Andrew Weissmann and Weissmann “wannabes” specializes in prosecutorial terrorist tactics repulsive to everything “justice” is supposed to mean. These tactics are designed to intimidate their targets into pleading guilty—while punishing them and their families with the process itself and financial ruin.
Most important, General Flynn was honest with the FBI agents. They knew he was—and briefed that to McCabe and others three different times. At McCabe’s directions, Agent Strzok and McCabe’s “Special Counsel” Lisa Page, altered the 302 to create statements Weissmann, Mueller, Van Grack, and Zainab Ahmad could assert were false. Only the FBI agents lied—and falsified documents. The crimes are theirs alone.
Seventh, the D.C. circuit in which you reside vacated a Section 1001 case for a legal failure much less egregious than those in General Flynn’s case. United States v. Safavian, 528 F.3d 957 (D.C. Cir. 2008). Safavian sought advice from his agency’s ethics board and did not give them all the relevant info. The jury convicted him on the theory it was a 1001 violation to conceal the information from the government ethics board. The court disagreed: “As Safavian argues and as the government agrees, there must be a legal duty to disclose in order for there to be a concealment offense in violation of § 1001(a)(1), yet the government failed to identify a legal disclosure duty except by reference to vague standards of conduct for government employees.” General Flynn did not even know he was the subject of an investigation—and in truth, he was not. The only crimes here were by your alumni in the FBI, White House, intelligence community, and Justice Department.
These are just a few obvious and well-known examples to those paying any attention to criminal justice issues.
Finally, the “leaked” comments from your alumni call further evinces your obsession with destroying a distinguished veteran of the United States Army who has defended the Constitution and this country “from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” with the highest honor for thirty-three years. He and many others will continue to do so.

1As a “constitutional lawyer,” surely you recall that perjury (or false statements) also requires intent to deceive. In Bronston v. United States, 409 U.S. 352 (1973), the Supreme Court reversed a conviction of perjury. In Bronston, the defendant’s answer was a truthful statement, but not directly responsive to the question and ultimately misled federal authorities. The Court determined: “A jury should not be permitted to engage in conjecture whether an unresponsive answer, true and complete on its face, was intended to mislead or divert the examiner; the state of mind of the witness is relevant only to the extent that it bears on whether “he does not believe [his answer] to be true.” To hold otherwise would be to inject a new and confusing element into the adversary testimonial system we know.” Id. at 359. The FBI agents who interviewed General Flynn specifically noted that his answers were true or he believed his answers to be true—completely defeating criminal intent. Furthermore, General Flynn knew and remarked they had transcripts of his conversations.
Click here to read a PDF version of Sidney’s Open Memorandum to Obama
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17295 posts
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:22 am to
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As a “constitutional lawyer,”
Love the quotes around that descriptor
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