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Watched the movie "Snowden" yesterday....since it' s an Oliver Stone production....

Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:26 am
Posted by Dry Prong Wildcat
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:26 am
I'm not sure exactly how much of it is really accurate but if 25% is true this country is not far from a police state. It comes down just as hard on bho as the intelligence community, esp the part when they replay clapper lying to congress about gathering metadata. Also what a charade the fisa courts really are and how they can be manipulated. Of course it was sympathic to Snowden who I assumed was a criminal but with what's going on today it certainly makes me think twice. It's on Amazon Prime now...
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:13 am to
IMO his (Snowden) biggest mistake was going all scorched earth. Had he selectively released the shite that proved we were being spied on by our own Deep State, he would garner more sympathy.
Posted by MsState of mind
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:16 am to
He is a patriot and government need to be knocked down a lot
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:17 am to
It’s ridiculously inaccurate, at least anything that covered his time in the States. I can’t speak about what transpired once he left the country.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:18 am to
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He is a patriot

I agree that his intentions were good but he DID cause a lot of damage.

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government need to be knocked down a lot

Truth
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:18 am to
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He is a patriot and government need to be knocked down a lot


He is a narcissist and a liar and he had no true understanding of what he released. One day he will enjoy the confines of a cell.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:30 am to
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He is a narcissist and a liar and he had no true understanding of what he released.


do you understand what he released?
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:34 am to
Yes, I understand exactly what he released...
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:39 am to
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Yes, I understand exactly what he released...

so he shouldn't have ratted on the gov't? i'm so confused.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:41 am to
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It’s ridiculously inaccurate


Well it's Oliver Stone, so....
Posted by Old Money
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:43 am to
Snowden is a national hero.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49262 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:46 am to
Ah yeah how terrible of him to reveal that the NSA had been spying on everyone
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:55 am to
If that's all he released then fair point but that's not all he released
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:18 am to
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If that's all he released then fair point but that's not all he released

what else did he release?
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:37 am to
Regardless of OS's input, the Snowden affair, and the DOJ's and other intelligence groups being under the control of Obama and his lefties in order to attack a political opponent has diminished the general support of the American public grievously. I can't remember when the center an center-right has been so suspicious of the DOJ, FBI, and CIA in my lifetime. I don't know how it was done, but it surely seems the DOJ has somehow been overwhelmed with Democrats these last two decades. Obama seems to have had a inordinate amount of communication with the FBI, CIA (commie Brennan), and DOJ (Holder). Now, the entire right wing of voters is highly suspect of all of them.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:39 am to
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what else did he release?

Go find it
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35624 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:47 am to
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Go find it

pfft
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:51 am to
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so he shouldn't have ratted on the gov't? i'm so confused.


It is an argument of presumed privacy, which is one of countless things he did not understand.

Is it still private if no parties are identified? An argument can be made that privacy is not infringed upon if no actors are identified. If he understood prism, he would recognize that. Since he was nothing more than a sysadmin, he has no true understanding of the project. He would like you to believe he is some super secret squirrel, but in actuality he was the guy who would reset your password. He wasn’t an analyst. He certainly wasn’t an operator. He was a fricking sysadmin.

Let the downvotes rain in support of “super sleuth” Snowden, lulz.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68182 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:51 am to
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I don't know how it was done, but it surely seems the DOJ has somehow been overwhelmed with Democrats these last two decades.
It has always been that way. 80-85% of govt bureaucrats are democrats.
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9494 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:52 am to
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I don't know how it was done, but it surely seems the DOJ has somehow been overwhelmed with Democrats these last two decades.

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama

You really don't understand??
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