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re: Washington Redskins expected to retire nickname on Monday: report

Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:40 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:40 pm to
I refuted and debunked em in real time and now I have to do it again? Is this what you came up with as your new off speed pitch? Jeez man go play your XBOX.
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 11:41 pm
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:47 pm to
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Fedex didn’t make a business decision, they made a political one.


Do you think they made this move completely independent of the financial bottom line? If you’re a stockholder, you could bring a derivative suit alleging lack of fiduciary duty. They have a legal duty to make decisions that are the best financial decisions.

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Last time the NFL made a hard left alignment their ratings hit a decade low for two years so it’s the exact opposite of a business decision.


I’m sure that was completely independent of the cord cutting trend. If the NFL thought it would help their bottom line to keep the name, they would pressure Snyder to keep it. Stanford University changed their team name in the 70s, and I don’t think in the long run it’s had a negative financial effect, but you can feel free to prove me wrong there.
Posted by OnwardToMAyhem
Member since Feb 2019
320 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:48 pm to
For a crowd that leaves in utter fear of Marxism, so many of you have little understanding of capitalism'.

The Redskins owner, who is way more successful financially then anyone here, and who's goal is to make more money, is choosing to make the wisest financial choice.

Nobody is forcing him to change the name,it his his decision and he could hold out as long as he wanted if that is his choice.

It isn't. He has decided to rebrand the company he owns to maximize the money he earns.

He's a capitalist and if you don't like it,buy your own team and name it whatever you want.

We live in a free country,enjoy it.
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:49 pm to
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You just posted a government agency not allowing a trademark


That was a trial court level determination about offensiveness. The appeal gave them the right to use it despite the offensiveness, which the ACLU supported.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:50 pm to
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It isn't. He has decided to rebrand the company he owns to maximize the money he earns.


So you're saying financial gurus are immune to fiscal mistakes?
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:51 pm to
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I refuted and debunked em in real time and now I have to do it again? Is this what you came up with as your new off speed pitch?


You never refuted a factual statement, you simply disagreed with my conclusions.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/12/20 at 11:58 pm to
My god man can’t you see how hypocritical you’re being? You argue that correlation is causation despite no data to support it then you argue against proven data in the second statement. You’re not arguing on the merits you’re simply following ideological orders and moving goalposts at blinding speed.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 12:01 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:00 am to
“You never refuted a factual statement, you simply disagreed with my conclusions.”


Wrong, just because you refuse to acknowledge anything off scrip from your masters doesn’t change the facts.
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:02 am to
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You argue that correlation is causation


You argued that when you said they took a dive in ratings due to political leanings. I brought up cord cutting as a relevant factor.

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you argue against proven data in the second statement


I argued for proven data. Stanford changed their name with no ill effects long term.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:07 am to
Here’s an example: you refuted polling of native Americans the last time this Redskins thing was pushed. You did that first by smearing anyone polled then you made a derogatory assumption about me in defense of someone who was actually caught lying about the same allegations in your Native American smear job.


Now buddy I don’t know you personally but this is what you did. I don’t wanna judge but on the merits you’ve displayed very questionable argumentative methods to say the least. Maybe that’s something you should think on.
Posted by Magic Helmet
Jackson, MS
Member since Jul 2019
503 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:09 am to
It’s time to cancel the NFL. Two can play this game, ya know.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
23658 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:09 am to
The NFL is fricked
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:09 am to
I don’t wanna be a dick but when you do this we can never establish a baseline for discussion.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
23658 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:11 am to
Keep ramming it up is arse Madking, he doesn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground.
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:14 am to
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you refuted polling of native Americans the last time this Redskins thing was pushed


I did that with updated studies reflecting updated polling that revealed flaws in the original polls. Facts to refute facts.

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derogatory assumption about me in defense of someone who was actually caught lying about the same allegations in your Native American smear job


I didn’t defend Warren’s self-identification. I actually used it as an example of problems in the initial polls. And when I assumed you disagreed with her self-identification, it was based on past statements you made, like

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Warren is the most dishonest person in political history and that’s saying something.
LINK
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:15 am to
I mean we need these people. We need them to wake up. This country needs two parties, that’s how it’s built. Right or left one party rule anywhere is destined for corruption and rot. Problem is only people on the right believe this, the other side wants us erased.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
23658 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:16 am to
We aren't asking much of him, he continually fails to present a linear argument.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:21 am to
“I did that with updated studies reflecting updated polling that revealed flaws in the original polls. Facts to refute facts. “


You did it with a left wing newspaper article. I can link their national headlines from today and show how dishonest they are. Next you used and unequal comparison between Warren and the people polled in said article then you tried to use my affiliation to protect her. Why’d you do that if you had the facts on your side? You didn’t btw because Warren lied and you had no proof everyone you compared her to did.
Posted by Steadmans Cheddar
Member since Dec 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:23 am to
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he continually fails to present a linear argument


1) a significant portion of the population believes the name is offensive

2) the owner has received pressure from consumers and business partners to change the name

3) the owner believes it’s in his best business interests to change the name

1 leads to 2, and 2 leads to 3. You disagree with 1, but that doesn’t change 2 and 3
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:24 am to
You’re right, this isn’t even a tough one to figure out with the Redskins yet he can’t bring himself to break ranks even though he can’t defend his position. It’s really sad and I mean sad as in it’s heartbreaking to me not as an insult.
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