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re: Was Demar Hamlin really at the Bills v Bengals game?

Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:43 am to
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:43 am to
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I don't see the majority creating the consensus as untrustworthy because I listen to industry sources, I see them as untrustworthy because several of their colleagues, who have zero upside to stepping out of the groupthink, have done so. And when they've done so they've told us that what goes on behind the curtain is exactly what we think it is, and any theories and the people who propose the theories that don't agree with Al Gore are shunned. If you want research dollars and to be accepted, you start with the conclusion and "research" reasons to support it.


That, like the evidence in the Demar controversy in this thread, is ambiguous. People end up differently weighing evidence like earnest dissenting voices within a field. Consider any well-established scientific theory you think of that's well-supported, and then ask if there are dissenting voices in that field who have been frustrated at having been unsuccessful in getting research funded to investigate their preferred theories. There probably are. Does this justify choosing dissenters over controversies in every case? If not, how else are we choose?

A lot of what seems to go on "behind the curtain" is distorted by a similar process of rational polarization that's going on this thread about ambiguous evidence about a person's appearance at a football game. The 2009 East Anglia "Climategate" controversy involved hacked emails released and then, depending on who you believe, discuss either a conspiracy to manufacture evidence about climate research or are benign discussions of ordinary scientific work like peer review.

Once you get on a side of a public controversy, you tend to scrutinize the weaknesses of the opponents' position much more than your own and usually end up getting more dogmatic about it. Science's own social-epistemic processes, when they're working right, over time keep this polarization from happening and if you can find an accurate signal of the right structure of the social-epistemics then you can have a more objective sense whether a particular consensus is reliable or whether you might be better served to shop for dissenting ideas.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 10:49 am
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:47 am to
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Hamlins QB [Josh Allen] believes the earth could be flat.


Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
5617 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:48 am to
More people are waking up every day. The globe theory is quickly falling apart.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138793 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:49 am to
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they resuscitated him a second time when they got him to the hospital
Right. That was discussed here. The uncle misspoke. DH was not resuscitated a second time at the hospital.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:56 am to
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More people are waking up every day.


All around the world, right?
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am to
26 pages and going strong! this board needs serious help sometimes
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59461 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am to
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Because doctors are so trustworthy after the scamdemic right?


Holy shite y’all are insane. Dude is making claims about what a patient would be able to do when. Based upon what expertise? I point out a fellow poster is a doc and you guys shite in it because of the pandemic? Loony tunes.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:00 am to
The flat-earth caucus seems to be coming in strong on the Demar-skeptical side.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:02 am to
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26 pages and going strong! this board needs serious help sometimes


Holy shite people posting on a message board? No wayyy!!!
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:04 am to
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Holy shite y’all are insane. Dude is making claims about what a patient would be able to do when. Based upon what expertise? I point out a fellow poster is a doc and you guys shite in it because of the pandemic? Loony tunes.


A good example of why to include legit experts in your circle of trust on a matter. Critical care is outside my wheelhouse, but I'd consider a consensus position from intensivists dispositive and be a little skeptical re: an internet rando.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59461 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:09 am to
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This isn’t me being crazy it’s trending 1 on Twitter.


I am confident I will never utter these words.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:09 am to
To each their own. Musk owns it now. Not crazy libs.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11847 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:11 am to
Glad to hear it. Lower your content-moderation policies far enough and a garden of stigmatized knowledge notions will bloom on the platform. The algorithms love the engagement they produce.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59461 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:12 am to
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To each their own. Musk owns it now. Not crazy libs.


Im a big Musk fan. I stand by my statement. I will never utter the words you wrote.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 11:15 am
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:13 am to
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...If you can find an accurate signal of the right structure of the social-epistemics then you can have a more objective sense whether a particular consensus is reliable or whether you might be better served to shop for dissenting ideas.


Appreciate your analysis....

Concisely, are you saying what is needed to discern the "truth" about the multi-layered Hamlin controversy is "official" authority(s) stepping out and clarifying exactly WHAT happened to Hamlin? (along with specifics?)

If so, HOW and to what degree and treatment he was "resuscitated"?
WHY the obvious secrecy and mystery from Minute #1 of the "injury" to the "resuscitation process" to cloaking / hiding of his facial image at the game?
WHY teammates aren't even sure whether who they "saw" was Hamlin? (Even THEY seem confused.)
Why the inordinate, extraordinary NATIONAL attention to this single event?

This may be outside your area of expertise, but is it possible that what we are unknowingly seeing / participating in ..some kind of Ritual?

If we trust our own eyes and do the math...NONE of any of the Hamlin Saga adds up or makes any normal sense.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:15 am to
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Im a big Musk fan.


I'll be posting some info on Musk soon. Yoo may be changing your mind, Counselor.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:15 am to
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Im a big Musk fan. I stand by my statement. I will never urge the words you wrote.


No big thing my friend

Just trying to stay on topic and discuss this abomination. Again dude isn’t dead but this thing is fishy. It’s okay to admit that nobody will judge y’all. It’s better than saying, yep dudes 100% kosher.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:17 am to
Sir, you have done an extraordinary job here.

This situation is definitely NOT normal. NOT routine. Not since Hamlin "keeled over".

Do not be deterred. Your instinct is right.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:19 am to
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The flat-earth caucus seems to be coming in strong on the Demar-skeptical side.


Touche

Posted by WestTexasTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
554 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:20 am to
You know, if this DH conspiracy has shown anything, is that people do not trust a damn thing that they get from media. I'm one of em. I dont think DH is dead, but it sure is strange the way everyone involved has been acting.
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