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re: War on poverty and programs to help the poor
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the UBS people claim that the universal services will be cheaper...i'm not sure exactly how
Seems mathematically impossible. No matter how cheap you make the product or services you're providing there is still administrative costs associated with running the programs.
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:01 pm to Powerman
I'd much rather pay them cash than have bloated govt programs
There's has to be a mechanism to thwart dependency and promote independence however
There's has to be a mechanism to thwart dependency and promote independence however
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:02 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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The war on poverty should begin with a job application with the unemployment office. Then you are placed in a job. You either work or go hungry
Eventually when more jobs are automated this argument will be useless
At some point it won't be necessary for most people to be employed
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:04 pm to olddawg26
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Why isn’t neither a viable option?
Well since the absolute worst case scenario is reality I'm just offering up a less shitty version as a choice
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:06 pm to Powerman
Neither
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:07 pm to TigerBait1971
Sorry not an option 
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:09 pm to Powerman
So do I get free money too?
I now work for a living, but hey I'm open to options.
I now work for a living, but hey I'm open to options.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:10 pm to TigerBait1971
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So do I get free money too?
That's actually something I just mentioned
Under a system like the fair tax everyone gets a check as part of the prebate plan
That would probably make a lot more sense than having dozens of dumb arse programs run by dumb asses for dumb asses
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:10 pm to Powerman
Welfare systems are a joke . I think they should take money spent on welfare programs and just split it between all Citizens if they are not going to cancel it .
The best way to help people in poverty is to give them training for a better job .
The best way to help people in poverty is to give them training for a better job .
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:13 pm to Powerman
Not saying this is all recipients but if they take heroin in trade can they get a discount or would you rather put them through the hassle of cashing a check and seeing their dealer?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:15 pm to tjv305
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Welfare systems are a joke . I think they should take money spent on welfare programs and just split it between all Citizens if they are not going to cancel it .
Or just use it on infrastructure projects or something of the sort
It seems like lighting it on fire hasn't been working out very well for us
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:16 pm to OleManDixon
We should just kill the useless people and use their bodies for fertilizer.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:19 pm to Powerman
Just need to incentivise gettign a job and actually saving. why work for min wage when you can get the same for free?
why save when they will cut off your benefits for having too much in savings?
the entire system is flawed. This is why poor trashy people spend their tax returns as soon as they get them.
let them keep a percent of the money once they get a job, slowly weening them off over a period of months, and give little bonuses for remaining employed if they still make under 30K.
give a larger bonus for landing a job making over 30K and a big CONGRATULATIONS YOU MADE IT package with resources for budgeting, money management, etc.
Don't make the family guidelines any less than 200% of the individual. if the individual standard is 30K but the family is 50K for cutoff.... mother frickers will stay separated on purpose. stupid women will leave their men just to get more benefits. Get them together being an actual family.
why save when they will cut off your benefits for having too much in savings?
the entire system is flawed. This is why poor trashy people spend their tax returns as soon as they get them.
let them keep a percent of the money once they get a job, slowly weening them off over a period of months, and give little bonuses for remaining employed if they still make under 30K.
give a larger bonus for landing a job making over 30K and a big CONGRATULATIONS YOU MADE IT package with resources for budgeting, money management, etc.
Don't make the family guidelines any less than 200% of the individual. if the individual standard is 30K but the family is 50K for cutoff.... mother frickers will stay separated on purpose. stupid women will leave their men just to get more benefits. Get them together being an actual family.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:21 pm to TigerBait1971
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We should just kill the useless people and use their bodies for fertilizer.
100 years ago the non motivated died and the motivated survived. We've got an incredibly large underclass of unmotivated people today kept alive by the government dime.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:14 pm to HempHead
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I'm going to make the assumption that poor people are poor because of financial illiteracy, high-time preference, and impulsiveness.
you'd be wrong
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:20 pm to bmy
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you'd be wrong
It's simply an assumption. I am willing to be wrong.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:22 pm to bmy
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you'd be wrong
He's right
What's your explanation? Why are they poor?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:23 pm to Powerman
Pumping money to fight poverty only creates more poverty. frick that
There really is no excuse for being in poverty in America
There really is no excuse for being in poverty in America
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:31 pm to TigerBait1971
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should just kill the useless people and use their bodies for fertilizer.
Lord.... where’s that cutoff again?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:33 pm to Pelican fan99
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There really is no excuse for being in poverty in America
Well, maybe a few...
Things like health, or being born into it, or....
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