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re: Wading through the court transcripts from the book keeping error trial
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:34 pm to LSUbacchus81
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:34 pm to LSUbacchus81
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SFP can you explain why this trial was allowed to take place if this was outside of the statute of limitations
For felonies, it's not
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Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:36 pm to Madking
one could reasonably argue that Cohen plead guilty to the alledged campaign finance laws violations as retribution to damage Trump’s Presidency
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The case for the misdemeanor is pretty rock solid.
It's outside the statute of limitations.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:37 pm to DawginSC
Cohen pled guilty in a plea bargain agreement. He even admitted they were threatening to prosecute his wife.
This in NO way should be used as evidence especially when he was also charged with perjury.
This in NO way should be used as evidence especially when he was also charged with perjury.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:38 pm to supatigah
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nothing was proven in court regarding campaign finance laws
He had to admit to the crimes and the crimes are felonies so legally they occurred.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:39 pm to BuckyCheese
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It's outside the statute of limitations.
If it ends there, the case is dead. That's why all the focus is on the felony enhancement.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:41 pm to supatigah
quote:That's a lot of money to pay to make someone stop whining.
I agree they mishandled this, primarily from cohen’s whining and refusal to go away because of his home loan and cohen’s wife
people forget that DJT is a pretty famous germaphobe, so the concept of him fricking a pornstar is pretty laughable, espcially in light of her testimony and description of the act
an admitted escort with hundreds of sex scenes on film blacking out from sex with a billionaire is hilarious on its face and prejudicial testimony
why they agreed to handle the persistent and stupid cohen financially the way they did is a mystery to me
if there was any legitimacy to her claim, DJT would have handled it much more close to the vest and seriously
And even if you're right, ratification is helluva thing.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:42 pm to supatigah
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one could reasonably argue that Cohen plead guilty to the alledged campaign finance laws violations as retribution to damage Trump’s Presidency
This trial is probably going to happen like 2-3 times, and it wouldn't shock me if one version was all Cohen all the time and this was the Trump defense
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:42 pm to supatigah
He’s openly been allowed to proclaim that position. He’s even been given shows and money while being a convicted felon. Not strange at all though and definitely not corrupt coercion.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The case for the misdemeanor is pretty rock solid.
The felony enhancement is where the issues lie.
Not at all, Trump did not personally enter any data into the ledgers. His accountant did and she admitted to listing a check paying and invoice from an attorney as a legal expense. Not rock solid at all. Dipshit.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He had to admit to the crimes and the crimes are felonies so legally they occurred.
doesnt mean that FACTUALLY they occurred or that they were even campaign finance crimes
Cohen was also facing 5 counts of tax fraud and one count of false statement to a bank
FECA has the authority to determine if campaign finance laws were violated and the Commissioner says they were not in either case
the whole thing is a house of cards
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He had to admit to the crimes and the crimes are felonies so legally they occurred.
So what? Relevance? Could be Cohen's testimony was coerced in his own case.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:47 pm to RedHog260
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What scheme?
Multiple people involved testified that it happened, that they were involved, and that Trump was driving the bus…
And yet you still deny reality.
It’s a cult.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:48 pm to RedHog260
It’s 100% coerced among other things but don’t tell that to the Stalinist prog stains.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
What felony is that? I see no felony to rate enhancing a non bookkeeping error. Paying an invoice to an attorney is a legal expense.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:48 pm to Salviati
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That's a lot of money to pay to make someone stop whining.
And even if you're right, ratification is helluva thing.
fair enough, but it is clear to me the issue for Trump was never handling stormy daniels it was trying to handle the loose cannon michael cohen
they foolishly paid cohen with organization money as damage control and he still went off the reservation
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:48 pm to reddy tiger
lol more lies from the smooth brain crew
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:50 pm to RedHog260
quote:That's not a relevance objection.quote:So what? Relevance? Could be Cohen's testimony was coerced in his own case.
He had to admit to the crimes and the crimes are felonies so legally they occurred.
That's a credibility determination.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:51 pm to supatigah
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doesnt mean that FACTUALLY they occurred or that they were even campaign finance crimes
I get that, but legally is all that matters.
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FECA has the authority to determine if campaign finance laws were violated and the Commissioner says they were not in either case
The jury didn't even have to determine that a crime occurred for the felony conviction, FYI.
Focusing on the crime that 100% did occur (since a conviction exists) is just the most sound strategy. The prosecution flubbed trying to make it too general. When the case is re-tried this fall or winter, I expect them to be raxor-focused on Cohen's conviction almost exclusively
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:52 pm to RedHog260
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So what? Relevance?
Well if you need to prove the misdemeanor was related to another crime, having an option that is 100% set as a crime that arose out of the same transaction/occurrence helps quite a bit.
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